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We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

by readme 7y ago

swsieber 7y ago
People like to razz on it for being a free market, but it's really a gov. backed oligopy.
- syshum 7y ago
  There is alot of people that do not have a proper understanding of what free market is, and misdirect the failing of the current markets from their proper blame point (government) to what they have associated with "free markets", failing to understand the influence that existing regulations have had on those markets including elimination of competition in the market. Telco has not been a free market, ever.
will4274 7y ago
? Telecom is one of most regulated industries in the United States. Not sure why this pattern ("look how bad the free market is" @ highly regulated market) is so common here and on reddit.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.
  - rat9988 7y ago
    He is criticizing the sarcasm.
- unishark 7y ago
  Because apparently every discussion on every message board needs to be hijacked to talk about one of the internet's four favorite political narratives, if there is any marginal relationship whatsoever. Someday we'll have A.I. to screen calls for us, and hopefully it can also screen this highly-upvoted-but-worthless tripe from message boards for us.
- ulucs 7y ago
  > here and on reddit If you pay upvotes and karma, you get unsubstantiated politicised arguments. The feedback mechanism rewards those comments.
rapnie 7y ago
Indeed. I'm from the Netherlands and never, ever in my life received a robocall, and also do not know anyone else who received one.
- warent 7y ago
  The deep level of suffering is very obvious in your post. Everything will be okay, but you really don't know the joys of relentless robocall spam that you're missing out on.
- wiz21c 7y ago
  I live in Belgium. I receive such a call on average twice a (week) day. Sometimes it's just blank call (nobody answers) sometimes they're offering gifts if I go to shop X, they ask if I want to compare my phone/energy bill. The funniest one is when my fixed line provider (let's call it P) calls me on my mobile phone (which is another provider) and ask me if I'm one oh their (P) customer :-) (the explanation is that the mobile/fixed businesses are separated to avoid monopoly and, since they can't share customer data ('cos of data protection rules), they have to ask them again :-))
  - hyperman1 7y ago
    Seconded for the P. They call me every 3 months. Every single one promises they'll note in their CRM how I wont be contacted again. None can answer why they didn't read the note from all their previous calls.
- blame_lewis 7y ago
  Australia speaking. We get a buttload of spam calls from China (in Chinese, no less).
  - sova 7y ago
    Parliament should get on that
- vor0nwe 7y ago
  I'm from the Netherlands (born and raised) and have received several robocalls, until I registered my phone number on the bel-me-niet.nl web site. Since then, I only get such calls from companies that got my details in exchange for some freebie. I tell them I'm not interested, and would they please stop calling me, and they do. The only calls I got recently were in English with a heavy Indian accent, "Ilse Smid" or another stereotypically Dutch name, claiming to be from Microsoft Windows, and that my computer had alerted them that it had a virus... These scam calls all came from nonexistent Dutch phone numbers.
zo1 7y ago
Such a disingenuous argument. The government quite frankly ties the free-market with weird regulations that essentially prevent competition. And then we get snarky comments such as this that say "oh wow, look how badly the free-market failed". For an example of free market trying to solve this, albeit not in a great way, have a look at TrueCaller and similar software.
- jonathanpierre 7y ago
  The regulations are not "weird". Before telcos were required to route all calls without discrimination, they didn't. And as soon as telcos are no longer required to route their competitors' calls, they stop. A recent example is the new area code for VOIP calls introduced in Germany in 2009. Major telcos just didn't route them, citing "technical reasons" despite being able to route local area numbers with the same mechanism without problem. Competition is only a solution for problems where the telcos' interest and the consumers' interest align. And that's very rare.
darkarmani 7y ago
I agree. Free the telcos to strictly requiring authenticated calls, so i can freely choose to ignore some calls.

We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

by readme 7y ago

We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

swsieber 7y ago

People like to razz on it for being a free market, but it's really a gov. backed oligopy.

syshum 7y ago
There is alot of people that do not have a proper understanding of what free market is, and misdirect the failing of the current markets from their proper blame point (government) to what they have associated with "free markets", failing to understand the influence that existing regulations have had on those markets including elimination of competition in the market. Telco has not been a free market, ever.

will4274 7y ago

? Telecom is one of most regulated industries in the United States. Not sure why this pattern ("look how bad the free market is" @ highly regulated market) is so common here and on reddit.

SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.
- rat9988 7y ago
  He is criticizing the sarcasm.
unishark 7y ago
Because apparently every discussion on every message board needs to be hijacked to talk about one of the internet's four favorite political narratives, if there is any marginal relationship whatsoever. Someday we'll have A.I. to screen calls for us, and hopefully it can also screen this highly-upvoted-but-worthless tripe from message boards for us.
ulucs 7y ago
> here and on reddit If you pay upvotes and karma, you get unsubstantiated politicised arguments. The feedback mechanism rewards those comments.

rapnie 7y ago

Indeed. I'm from the Netherlands and never, ever in my life received a robocall, and also do not know anyone else who received one.

warent 7y ago
The deep level of suffering is very obvious in your post. Everything will be okay, but you really don't know the joys of relentless robocall spam that you're missing out on.
wiz21c 7y ago
I live in Belgium. I receive such a call on average twice a (week) day. Sometimes it's just blank call (nobody answers) sometimes they're offering gifts if I go to shop X, they ask if I want to compare my phone/energy bill. The funniest one is when my fixed line provider (let's call it P) calls me on my mobile phone (which is another provider) and ask me if I'm one oh their (P) customer :-) (the explanation is that the mobile/fixed businesses are separated to avoid monopoly and, since they can't share customer data ('cos of data protection rules), they have to ask them again :-))
- hyperman1 7y ago
  Seconded for the P. They call me every 3 months. Every single one promises they'll note in their CRM how I wont be contacted again. None can answer why they didn't read the note from all their previous calls.
blame_lewis 7y ago
Australia speaking. We get a buttload of spam calls from China (in Chinese, no less).
- sova 7y ago
  Parliament should get on that
vor0nwe 7y ago
I'm from the Netherlands (born and raised) and have received several robocalls, until I registered my phone number on the bel-me-niet.nl web site. Since then, I only get such calls from companies that got my details in exchange for some freebie. I tell them I'm not interested, and would they please stop calling me, and they do. The only calls I got recently were in English with a heavy Indian accent, "Ilse Smid" or another stereotypically Dutch name, claiming to be from Microsoft Windows, and that my computer had alerted them that it had a virus... These scam calls all came from nonexistent Dutch phone numbers.

zo1 7y ago

Such a disingenuous argument. The government quite frankly ties the free-market with weird regulations that essentially prevent competition. And then we get snarky comments such as this that say "oh wow, look how badly the free-market failed". For an example of free market trying to solve this, albeit not in a great way, have a look at TrueCaller and similar software.

jonathanpierre 7y ago
The regulations are not "weird". Before telcos were required to route all calls without discrimination, they didn't. And as soon as telcos are no longer required to route their competitors' calls, they stop. A recent example is the new area code for VOIP calls introduced in Germany in 2009. Major telcos just didn't route them, citing "technical reasons" despite being able to route local area numbers with the same mechanism without problem. Competition is only a solution for problems where the telcos' interest and the consumers' interest align. And that's very rare.

darkarmani 7y ago

I agree. Free the telcos to strictly requiring authenticated calls, so i can freely choose to ignore some calls.