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Also interesting about that photo: Five of the 25 have portrait-oriented video feeds. Tbh this may make more sense for this kind of thing (shows more of the pe

Also interesting about that photo: Five of the 25 have portrait-oriented video feeds. Tbh this may make more sense for this kind of thing (shows more of the person rather than more of the space they're in) but I'm thinking about the hardware—am I correct in inferring that those five are zooming from their mobile? Do high-level UK cabinet ministers not have laptops?

sc11 7y ago
I'm speculating, but they might find it more convenient to use a separate device for the video chat? Especially if you're using your laptop a lot during the video call, it's quite convenient to have the chat open elsewhere.
- dexterdog 7y ago
  Esp considering I have had the zoom app completely crash my laptop multiple times.
  - dhosek 7y ago
    Given how cavalier zoom is about privacy and its history on the Mac, the only place I'd be willing to use it is on my phone or ipad where it's boxed in by Apple's restrictions and has undergone app review. Apple had to push a silent OS update to remove zoom's insecure secret web server.
    - sixothree 7y ago
      How the heck is Zoom even HIPAA compliant?
      - Legogris 7y ago
        Is it though?
        judge2020 7y ago
        https://zoom.us/healthcare https://zoom.us/healthcare > HIPAA/PIPEDA plans start at $$200 per month per account, which comes with 10 hosts.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        A relevant thread from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735746
        Legogris 7y ago
        Zoom claiming it's compliant has nothing to do with it actually being compliant.
        kemotep 7y ago
        If they have filed the paperwork[0] then they are. (Whether their solution to be compliant is or is not enough would have to be audited.) Apple's FaceTime is not HIPAA compliant because they haven't filed the paperwork.[1] (Obviously, there are a lot more steps to it than signing a Business Associate agreement, but I would bet FaceTime is probably a little more secure than Zoom) [0]:https://www.hipaajournal.com/become-hipaa-compliant/ https://www.hipaajournal.com/become-hipaa-compliant/ [1]:https://www.hipaajournal.com/facetime-hipaa-compliant/ https://www.hipaajournal.com/facetime-hipaa-compliant/
      - neuronic 7y ago
        And what about GDPR?
- blntechie 7y ago
  Works for them I guess but when screensharing especially for code, mobile phones and tablets don’t work well.
  - orthoxerox 7y ago
    I doubt they code for a living.
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  Microphone quality is still not a solved problem on laptops, and Windows' sound preferences UI does not make it easy to switch to a Bluetooth headset (that is, if you even have one on you).
stewbrew 7y ago
Maybe they didn't get audio to work on their notebooks?
_-___________-_ 7y ago
I only ever use Zoom on my phone - it frees up my laptop to be used during the call, and I refuse to install anything developed by that company on my laptop.
- distances 7y ago
  You can join Zoom meetings on your browser too. It's behind these twelve easy steps: 1. Go to zoom.com 2. Click "Join a meeting" 3. Enter meeting id and click Join 4. Ignore the automatic app download 5. Go back 6. Click "Join a meeting" again 7. Enter meeting id and click Join again 8. Ignore the app download again 9. Click at "If nothing prompts, click here" 10. Click "Join from your browser" 11. Agree to terms of service 12. Enter password and name, click Join Yes, it actually requires you go back and try again at step 5. What dark pattern?
  - Roritharr 7y ago
    What? That's crazy to hide such a useful feature!
    - auscompgeek 7y ago
      The meeting host can enable the browser client link without the hassle in their settings. Unfortunately it's disabled by default.
  - flir 7y ago
    That's.... a thing of beauty. Honestly, it brings a tear to my eye.
    - tsimionescu 7y ago
      If you are in awe of that, take a look at the official article about doing find and replace in MS OneNote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/find-and-replace-text-in-notes-34b1f7f8-d327-40c5-8b0c-8419425ed68b?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/find-and-replace-...
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wil421 7y ago
Could they be using iPads? I can’t see why a high level executive or politician couldn’t get away with one.

sc11 7y ago

I'm speculating, but they might find it more convenient to use a separate device for the video chat? Especially if you're using your laptop a lot during the video call, it's quite convenient to have the chat open elsewhere.

dexterdog 7y ago
Esp considering I have had the zoom app completely crash my laptop multiple times.
- dhosek 7y ago
  Given how cavalier zoom is about privacy and its history on the Mac, the only place I'd be willing to use it is on my phone or ipad where it's boxed in by Apple's restrictions and has undergone app review. Apple had to push a silent OS update to remove zoom's insecure secret web server.
  - sixothree 7y ago
    How the heck is Zoom even HIPAA compliant?
    - Legogris 7y ago
      Is it though?
      - judge2020 7y ago
        https://zoom.us/healthcare https://zoom.us/healthcare > HIPAA/PIPEDA plans start at $$200 per month per account, which comes with 10 hosts.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        A relevant thread from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735746
        Legogris 7y ago
        Zoom claiming it's compliant has nothing to do with it actually being compliant.
        kemotep 7y ago
        If they have filed the paperwork[0] then they are. (Whether their solution to be compliant is or is not enough would have to be audited.) Apple's FaceTime is not HIPAA compliant because they haven't filed the paperwork.[1] (Obviously, there are a lot more steps to it than signing a Business Associate agreement, but I would bet FaceTime is probably a little more secure than Zoom) [0]:https://www.hipaajournal.com/become-hipaa-compliant/ https://www.hipaajournal.com/become-hipaa-compliant/ [1]:https://www.hipaajournal.com/facetime-hipaa-compliant/ https://www.hipaajournal.com/facetime-hipaa-compliant/
    - neuronic 7y ago
      And what about GDPR?
blntechie 7y ago
Works for them I guess but when screensharing especially for code, mobile phones and tablets don’t work well.
- orthoxerox 7y ago
  I doubt they code for a living.
Nextgrid 7y ago
Microphone quality is still not a solved problem on laptops, and Windows' sound preferences UI does not make it easy to switch to a Bluetooth headset (that is, if you even have one on you).

stewbrew 7y ago

Maybe they didn't get audio to work on their notebooks?

_-___________-_ 7y ago

I only ever use Zoom on my phone - it frees up my laptop to be used during the call, and I refuse to install anything developed by that company on my laptop.

distances 7y ago
You can join Zoom meetings on your browser too. It's behind these twelve easy steps: 1. Go to zoom.com 2. Click "Join a meeting" 3. Enter meeting id and click Join 4. Ignore the automatic app download 5. Go back 6. Click "Join a meeting" again 7. Enter meeting id and click Join again 8. Ignore the app download again 9. Click at "If nothing prompts, click here" 10. Click "Join from your browser" 11. Agree to terms of service 12. Enter password and name, click Join Yes, it actually requires you go back and try again at step 5. What dark pattern?
- Roritharr 7y ago
  What? That's crazy to hide such a useful feature!
  - auscompgeek 7y ago
    The meeting host can enable the browser client link without the hassle in their settings. Unfortunately it's disabled by default.
- flir 7y ago
  That's.... a thing of beauty. Honestly, it brings a tear to my eye.
  - tsimionescu 7y ago
    If you are in awe of that, take a look at the official article about doing find and replace in MS OneNote: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/find-and-replace-text-in-notes-34b1f7f8-d327-40c5-8b0c-8419425ed68b?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/find-and-replace-...

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wil421 7y ago

Could they be using iPads? I can’t see why a high level executive or politician couldn’t get away with one.