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In Sweden telephone operators can be forbidden from let spam categorized numbers reach you. That and you know.. breaking the law has actual consequences for bo

In Sweden telephone operators can be forbidden from let spam categorized numbers reach you. That and you know.. breaking the law has actual consequences for both spammers and telcos.

StavrosK 7y ago
Same in Greece, I think it's EU-wide. When you tell a spammer you're registered in our do-not-call registry, they get scared pretty quickly and swear they'll never call again. They usually don't.
- kube-system 7y ago
  The US has had a do-not-call registry for 17 years. It still doesn't deter spammers who are not subject to US law. Back in the early 2000's I remember doing the same thing you're describing: startling spammers by telling them that I was on the list. But today, the people calling don't care because they aren't inside of the US.
  - PeterisP 7y ago
    This is what anti-spoofing is for - it's trivial to deny calls from India or Russia or whatever if you're not doing any business there, the problem is that currently they're spoofing a local number. If you're being called from a local number, then this should mean (and outside of USA actually means) that there's somebody who's subject to local law and fully responsible for ensuring that the spam laws are met. If you're a telecoms operator sending in calls to the nework, then you ensure that the fines get paid - the spammers are, naturally, liable, but if you enable access to scammers in an unreachable jurisdiction or insolvent shell companies, well, it's coming out of your pocket and it's your problem on how to recover these losses. In USA, however, telecoms who specialize in providing such access to phone spammers have a legal and profitable business model. This needs to change.
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    - kube-system 7y ago
      CID spoofing is an entirely different thing from getting a local VoIP number. A lot of spammers just get local VoIP number, that's not spoofing, that's just a real local number. CID spoofing is when you tell the network to display a different caller ID value than the actual originator. This never had any sort of authentication in the US (until the announcement in the OP) Most of the spam calls in the US aren't CID spoofed, but some egregious scams are. This is usually used for things like scammers displaying "SOCIAL SECURITY" on the caller ID. The US just generally doesn't make carriers liable for the crimes of their users. We don't need to change that, and I don't think it's a good idea either because of the unintended affects that could have on accessibility. We just need to require controls that authenticate proper use of the network. The announcement in the OP is one step towards doing that. But preventing CID spoofing alone is not going to stop spam calls from local numbers, because VoIP.
- pkaye 7y ago
  Do the spammers speak greek or english?
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    Greek, why would they speak English? They're usually phone companies offering discounts.
    - pkaye 7y ago
      In the US we get a fair amount of spam calls originating from India. So an english speaking country would be their target.
      - StavrosK 7y ago
        Hmm, I see. What are they selling?
        pkaye 7y ago
        I think mostly IT scams or falsely representing a tax agency. But these days I mostly get automated calls. I have a way around those which is when I answer a call, I don't speak until the other side says hello. Automated calls just assume the line is dead and hangup. I think these automated called are used by the spammers to identify live numbers a flurry of real call will follow up in a few days.
        StavrosK 7y ago
        That sounds really annoying, I can't imagine being bothered by spam calls multiple times a week.
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> telephone operators can be forbidden from let spam categorized numbers reach you How does this help with a spoofed call from India?

In Sweden telephone operators can be forbidden from let spam categorized numbers reach you. That and you know.. breaking the law has actual consequences for both spammers and telcos.

StavrosK 7y ago

Same in Greece, I think it's EU-wide. When you tell a spammer you're registered in our do-not-call registry, they get scared pretty quickly and swear they'll never call again. They usually don't.

kube-system 7y ago
The US has had a do-not-call registry for 17 years. It still doesn't deter spammers who are not subject to US law. Back in the early 2000's I remember doing the same thing you're describing: startling spammers by telling them that I was on the list. But today, the people calling don't care because they aren't inside of the US.
- PeterisP 7y ago
  This is what anti-spoofing is for - it's trivial to deny calls from India or Russia or whatever if you're not doing any business there, the problem is that currently they're spoofing a local number. If you're being called from a local number, then this should mean (and outside of USA actually means) that there's somebody who's subject to local law and fully responsible for ensuring that the spam laws are met. If you're a telecoms operator sending in calls to the nework, then you ensure that the fines get paid - the spammers are, naturally, liable, but if you enable access to scammers in an unreachable jurisdiction or insolvent shell companies, well, it's coming out of your pocket and it's your problem on how to recover these losses. In USA, however, telecoms who specialize in providing such access to phone spammers have a legal and profitable business model. This needs to change.
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  - kube-system 7y ago
    CID spoofing is an entirely different thing from getting a local VoIP number. A lot of spammers just get local VoIP number, that's not spoofing, that's just a real local number. CID spoofing is when you tell the network to display a different caller ID value than the actual originator. This never had any sort of authentication in the US (until the announcement in the OP) Most of the spam calls in the US aren't CID spoofed, but some egregious scams are. This is usually used for things like scammers displaying "SOCIAL SECURITY" on the caller ID. The US just generally doesn't make carriers liable for the crimes of their users. We don't need to change that, and I don't think it's a good idea either because of the unintended affects that could have on accessibility. We just need to require controls that authenticate proper use of the network. The announcement in the OP is one step towards doing that. But preventing CID spoofing alone is not going to stop spam calls from local numbers, because VoIP.
pkaye 7y ago
Do the spammers speak greek or english?
- StavrosK 7y ago
  Greek, why would they speak English? They're usually phone companies offering discounts.
  - pkaye 7y ago
    In the US we get a fair amount of spam calls originating from India. So an english speaking country would be their target.
    - StavrosK 7y ago
      Hmm, I see. What are they selling?
      - pkaye 7y ago
        I think mostly IT scams or falsely representing a tax agency. But these days I mostly get automated calls. I have a way around those which is when I answer a call, I don't speak until the other side says hello. Automated calls just assume the line is dead and hangup. I think these automated called are used by the spammers to identify live numbers a flurry of real call will follow up in a few days.
        StavrosK 7y ago
        That sounds really annoying, I can't imagine being bothered by spam calls multiple times a week.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> telephone operators can be forbidden from let spam categorized numbers reach you How does this help with a spoofed call from India?