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I don't know. How's Dark Sky competing with Apple? I don't think they derive much, if any, revenue from the Weather app. More likely they're paying for the data

I don't know. How's Dark Sky competing with Apple? I don't think they derive much, if any, revenue from the Weather app. More likely they're paying for the data.

fooey 7y ago
Maybe this is the start of the Epic Games business model. Buy things and make them exclusive just so no one else can have them.
- deleted 7y ago
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- yepthatsreality 7y ago
  E^3 model[0], different parameters. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extingu...
  - madeofpalk 7y ago
    I mean in Epic's case, its really more like movie/tv/book deals, except with much more favourable terms to the creators.
    - timzentu 7y ago
      You forgot to add with more restrictions, decreased customer satisfaction, upsetting early supporters, and an incomplete storefront that barely has enough online features to state it was built in the last 2 decades. That is in the case of Epic not the OP.
- close04 7y ago
  Buying things to bury just to make sure the competition doesn't get them is by no means a new business model or invented by Epic Games. It's been a solid go to for most big companies since forever. It's nothing new for Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.
rickyc091 7y ago
So I exclusively use Dark Sky on my iPhone and watch. They could also be looking at the data and noticing that most people use Dark Sky as opposed to the default weather app.
- outworlder 7y ago
  I hope that they also realize WHY people are using Dark Sky and keep that.
sbahr001 7y ago
It might have to do with AccuWeather trying to make weather data harder to access, especially NOAA data. Dark Sky was one of the best API's for weather data too, and now Apple does not have to follow anyone else's rules. Tim Cook's big push for environmental responsibility can also be a reason for the acquisition as well. Having access to this type of data allows them to open the door to more environmental productions/applications.
- mattmcknight 7y ago
  Apparently DarkSky does use the NOAA data, whereas Apple was pulling data from The Weather Company, now part of IBM. "IBM purchased the Weather Co. in 2016 and sells weather data to, among others, Apple, for its weather app. The purchase could signal that Apple will develop its own weather model rather than continue to use IBM-derived data, or it may indicate that Apple, too, liked the design of the app." https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/03/31/apple-buys-popular-weather-app-darksky/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/03/31/apple-buys... per https://twitter.com/ajblum/status/1245045062112813059 https://twitter.com/ajblum/status/1245045062112813059
  - cosmie 7y ago
    > whereas Apple was pulling data from The Weather Company, now part of IBM. It's turtles all the way down[1]. The Weather Company also leverages NOAA data and is listed as such as a weather service provider on NOAA's site[2]. Although they ostensibly augment it with other sources and apply their own forecasting models to the data, they're still basically repackaging NOAA data in one form or another. [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down [2] https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/success/weather-service-providers https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/success/weather-service-providers
    - dingaling 7y ago
      > The Weather Company also leverages NOAA data ... in the USA. But one of its great advantages is the data it receives from tens of thousands of amateur weather reporting stations globally. The Wunderground forecast for our locality is hyper-localised and very accurate for that reason, particularly compared to the national Met Office forecast which applies to an airport 35 miles away, beside a lake and on the other side of mountains.

I don't know. How's Dark Sky competing with Apple? I don't think they derive much, if any, revenue from the Weather app. More likely they're paying for the data.

fooey 7y ago

Maybe this is the start of the Epic Games business model. Buy things and make them exclusive just so no one else can have them.

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yepthatsreality 7y ago
E^3 model[0], different parameters. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extingu...
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  I mean in Epic's case, its really more like movie/tv/book deals, except with much more favourable terms to the creators.
  - timzentu 7y ago
    You forgot to add with more restrictions, decreased customer satisfaction, upsetting early supporters, and an incomplete storefront that barely has enough online features to state it was built in the last 2 decades. That is in the case of Epic not the OP.
close04 7y ago
Buying things to bury just to make sure the competition doesn't get them is by no means a new business model or invented by Epic Games. It's been a solid go to for most big companies since forever. It's nothing new for Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.

rickyc091 7y ago

So I exclusively use Dark Sky on my iPhone and watch. They could also be looking at the data and noticing that most people use Dark Sky as opposed to the default weather app.

outworlder 7y ago
I hope that they also realize WHY people are using Dark Sky and keep that.

sbahr001 7y ago

It might have to do with AccuWeather trying to make weather data harder to access, especially NOAA data. Dark Sky was one of the best API's for weather data too, and now Apple does not have to follow anyone else's rules. Tim Cook's big push for environmental responsibility can also be a reason for the acquisition as well. Having access to this type of data allows them to open the door to more environmental productions/applications.

mattmcknight 7y ago
Apparently DarkSky does use the NOAA data, whereas Apple was pulling data from The Weather Company, now part of IBM. "IBM purchased the Weather Co. in 2016 and sells weather data to, among others, Apple, for its weather app. The purchase could signal that Apple will develop its own weather model rather than continue to use IBM-derived data, or it may indicate that Apple, too, liked the design of the app." https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/03/31/apple-buys-popular-weather-app-darksky/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/03/31/apple-buys... per https://twitter.com/ajblum/status/1245045062112813059 https://twitter.com/ajblum/status/1245045062112813059
- cosmie 7y ago
  > whereas Apple was pulling data from The Weather Company, now part of IBM. It's turtles all the way down[1]. The Weather Company also leverages NOAA data and is listed as such as a weather service provider on NOAA's site[2]. Although they ostensibly augment it with other sources and apply their own forecasting models to the data, they're still basically repackaging NOAA data in one form or another. [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down [2] https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/success/weather-service-providers https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/success/weather-service-providers
  - dingaling 7y ago
    > The Weather Company also leverages NOAA data ... in the USA. But one of its great advantages is the data it receives from tens of thousands of amateur weather reporting stations globally. The Wunderground forecast for our locality is hyper-localised and very accurate for that reason, particularly compared to the national Met Office forecast which applies to an airport 35 miles away, beside a lake and on the other side of mountains.