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> Crime is spiking in NYC right now and it's not really a priority to report it. How can you know this? If it is not being reported, you must be relying on a

> Crime is spiking in NYC right now and it's not really a priority to report it. How can you know this? If it is not being reported, you must be relying on anecdotal reporting? Reddit, nextdoor, facebook?

mancerayder 7y ago
Anecdotal - Citizen App blowing up, in several neighborhoods I know well. A large number of street robberies, gunshots heard. Unusual events, like a deadly assault during the afternoon in an area that never happened. Before the pandemic crime had spiked for certain things, like misdemeanor assaults and robberies, I want to say 20+ percent. The politicians use Major Crimes, because it makes them look better as they go down and you can also make them go down by downgrading indictments or pushing people who report crimes so it's filed differently (if you've been the victim of robbery they'll do everything to lower the value of the items, as one example). But you can view CompStat data from before the pandemic. DAs accused the NYPD of exaggerating but DAs had already begun to decline to prosecute. Also the discovery rules just got more strict. Now logic for the present moment: a large percentage of the NYPD is out sick, a lot of people have no income and there's no one in the street. Would you feel safe? There are regular strongarm and knife-point robberies reported on Citizen near where I live.
- relaxing 7y ago
  Or maybe there are more people at home with free time to make reports on neighborhood apps.
  - mancerayder 7y ago
    "free time"? And are you suggesting these are fake?
    - OrangeMango 7y ago
      There are many claims that these community apps end up with multiple reports of the same crime and reports of crimes that didn't actually happen. Not only that, but a lot of urban people have a terrible time distinguishing the sound of gunshots from other noises that are common in urban areas. I don't want to claim that there isn't a spike in crime. There may well be. But you really have to be careful in relying on what you see reported on these apps. Especially with so many people at home, nervous and stressed out.
      - mancerayder 7y ago
        It's also common sense! People without work, cops calling out sick, and street gangs ready to go. So I trust those reports, and I did just say above there are videos and exact addresses. Also, Detroit's murder rate has just spiked by 50 pct and shootings by 30%, because you can't 'hide' that or hand wave that away.

mancerayder 7y ago

Anecdotal - Citizen App blowing up, in several neighborhoods I know well. A large number of street robberies, gunshots heard. Unusual events, like a deadly assault during the afternoon in an area that never happened. Before the pandemic crime had spiked for certain things, like misdemeanor assaults and robberies, I want to say 20+ percent. The politicians use Major Crimes, because it makes them look better as they go down and you can also make them go down by downgrading indictments or pushing people who report crimes so it's filed differently (if you've been the victim of robbery they'll do everything to lower the value of the items, as one example). But you can view CompStat data from before the pandemic. DAs accused the NYPD of exaggerating but DAs had already begun to decline to prosecute. Also the discovery rules just got more strict. Now logic for the present moment: a large percentage of the NYPD is out sick, a lot of people have no income and there's no one in the street. Would you feel safe? There are regular strongarm and knife-point robberies reported on Citizen near where I live.

relaxing 7y ago
Or maybe there are more people at home with free time to make reports on neighborhood apps.
- mancerayder 7y ago
  "free time"? And are you suggesting these are fake?
  - OrangeMango 7y ago
    There are many claims that these community apps end up with multiple reports of the same crime and reports of crimes that didn't actually happen. Not only that, but a lot of urban people have a terrible time distinguishing the sound of gunshots from other noises that are common in urban areas. I don't want to claim that there isn't a spike in crime. There may well be. But you really have to be careful in relying on what you see reported on these apps. Especially with so many people at home, nervous and stressed out.
    - mancerayder 7y ago
      It's also common sense! People without work, cops calling out sick, and street gangs ready to go. So I trust those reports, and I did just say above there are videos and exact addresses. Also, Detroit's murder rate has just spiked by 50 pct and shootings by 30%, because you can't 'hide' that or hand wave that away.