That is no argument in this discussion, IMHO - what does it change? The discussion is about the language (and in case of Java, the runtime) and it's machine abs

That is no argument in this discussion, IMHO - what does it change? The discussion is about the language (and in case of Java, the runtime) and it's machine abstraction, which is nearly the same for Java and C, even if JVM was written in Lisp.