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The point is that the term "E2E encryption" was never used for "there is TLS involved". Because that's not what end-to-end means. E2E encryption was always cle
by DCKing 7y ago
The point is that the term "E2E encryption" was never used for "there is TLS involved". Because that's not what end-to-end means.
E2E encryption was always clearly defined as "only the two communicating parties can access the information". Using the term "E2E encryption" in other ways is deliberately confusing. Edit: and pretending that E2E encryption meant something else in some unspecified past is revising history.
- PopeDotNinja 7y agoWith true E2E encryption, could you support features like recording a video and making it available for download? If yes, does that reflect how their video recording features work now?
- obituary_latte 7y agoThat’s not the point. If it’s not truly E2E, they shouldn’t market it as such.
- threatofrain 7y ago“Military grade encryption” might’ve sold better too.
- jaywalk 7y agoDon't forget another marketing favorite: "Bank-level encryption"
- nathanlied 7y ago"Bank-level cryptography" with some of them still storing passwords in cleartext, and others made a very painful transition to unsalted md5 within the last 5 years because they "couldn't budget it in" any earlier. No, thanks.
- shawnz 7y agoWhy hire a software engineer when you can just run some ads about the dangers of identity theft instead?
- gsich 7y agoYou can always record at either end.
- supermatt 7y agoSure you could. Either a participants client records the stream and uploads, or a ‘recording client’ is added to the conversation by the service. However, I think the real value of mitm is more to do with redistribution of streams and muxing to reducing total bandwidth over that required by a full e2e encrypted p2p mesh. I.e one upload vs one per peer (although this could also be done with e2e encryption with multiple recipients and simply routing through the service) and potentially a single download too (depending on how the muxing is done), rather than one per peer (but this couldn’t be done with e2e encryption).
- 101404 7y agoYes, of course you can. But the recording has to be done on one of the clients. Then the other client can download the video via the same e2e tunnel.