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We just had a corporate presentation with around 250 people. Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication, this was also stated by management, that

We just had a corporate presentation with around 250 people. Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication, this was also stated by management, that Zoom should only be used for 'big' meetings like this. I think they know the other solutions will not work as well for bigger groups. I've not had issues with using either solution for small group meetings. Actually I have to go out of my way to run Zoom in the browser instead of using the installer. I have to use Chrome instead of Firefox, download but not install the app and wait for the "or run in browser" link to appear after that. I really don't like macOS installers anyways and passionately hate them as "installing" and App on macOS should be nothing more than moving the .app from a zip or disk image into your /Applications folder. I just don't trust them in not placing additional crap like auto updaters or kext's when I don't need them.

lukevp 7y ago
Why not use Teams Live for this? We have been using zoom and Teams alternately and Teams performance and ease of use has been much better in my experience, but we have yet to do a 200+ all hands so I was curious if there were some footguns with teams live that you may know about. Teams live works on a lot of platforms and also has a web version.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Why not use Teams Live for this? My wife was on a Teams videoconference last week. 125 people in four locations from New York to Southern California. An hour into it, half of the people were simultaneously dropped, and not from any particular geography. It was random. And nobody could reconnect for a very long time. It took 45 minutes to restart the meeting. The company is no longer using Teams.
  - freehunter 7y ago
    To be fair I’ve seen the same thing happen with Zoom. During a 2 hour meeting with a client, about half of my team was dropped and couldn’t get back into the meeting for several minutes.
  - mgkimsal 7y ago
    have only recently started using teams with one client. small group (max 6 folks I think) and... we've had issues with it - someone's video freezing, audio garbled/dropping, etc - twice in 2 days. but... I'm sort of chalking it up to potentially overloaded/bad net connections in the wake of all the WFH and remote meeting stuff being used. We had issues with connecting to zoom (and their phone numbers) last week as well, so I'm not ready to pull the plug on teams entirely until we have more experience under our belts.
  - mynameisvlad 7y ago
    Teams live events (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-live-events/what-are-teams-live-events https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-live-e...) which the parent comment was refering to is actually a specific feature in Teams that is only available for certain levels AFAIK but supports vastly more people than a standard Teams meeting.
- basch 7y ago
  The predecessor, Skype Broadcast allowed completely anonymous viewing, basically a twitch or youtube stream. In the name of growth hacking, the Teams team decided to force people to the app, you couldnt watch the video stream from a mobile device without the teams app. Which is a huge amount of friction for a mobile workforce that isnt using teams. Maybe this has changed since I last talked to Microsoft, but even their own team was unhappy with it. But if you still have access to broadcast.skype.com, it still works, until they decide it shouldnt.
- alasdair_ 7y ago
  The only Teams Live meeting I've ever tried to join, we had two people who gave up because their web version didn't support Safari without having to manually go deep into their preferences and change settings from the default.
- aequitas 7y ago
  I don't know of any, but our teams uses Slack, not Teams. Barely any complaints about Slack video chat btw, but that's all small sessions anyways.
- snowwrestler 7y ago
  My employer has used Teams Live for all-hands meetings from home the last couple weeks and it worked great for ~350 attendees.
specialist 7y ago
App installation should always just be a file copy. Deinstallation should always just be a move to Trash (or ~/Disabled equiv). IMHO. I'm even uncomfortable with config scattered everywhere. The continued need for those 3rd party uninstallers is an admission of failure. Source: released products ported to misc Windows, classic Mac, modern Mac. Our dev, QA, Test, tech supp was always so much easier on Mac. Not least because we could have multiple current versions installed. Which allows troubleshooting, rollbacks, etc. Caveat: I personally use package managers and am curious to see if Nix becomes the norm. So I may change my mind in the future.
- johannes1234321 7y ago
  If the file is only moved to trash it will keep configuration and other artefacts around or not support such features or the file ahs to be mutable, which is questionable from a security pov
  - specialist 7y ago
    Thanks. I've been chewing on your reply. I didn't get very far. It finally occurs to me that macOS (or equiv) could implement iOS (or equiv) style sandboxing. Maybe that's already in progress. As a dev and former power user, I'm sure it'll be uncomfortable.
enedil 7y ago
In fact, if you change URL from /j/CONFERENCE_NUMBER to /wc/join/CONFERENCE_NUMBER you won't be needing to wait for that link.
- aequitas 7y ago
  There is also a browser plugin a saw floating by a couple of days ago that would just enforce this step, but can't find it anymore.
  - borgel 7y ago
    From another commenter on another HN thread https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector
Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication > to run Zoom in the browser [...] I have to use Chrome instead of Firefox. Just a note, Slack and Teams calls also won't work in Firefox. It's really annoying. Hangouts works fine in Firefox though, somewhat unexpectedly.
- cpeterso 7y ago
  Here are the Firefox bug reports for Slack calls: https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/12975 https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/12975 And Teams calls: https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/25070 https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/25070 Slack originally relied on non-standard, Chrome-specific WebRTC behavior and now is prioritizing development of their Electron app over web support. There is a Firefox extension to spoof Chrome's User-Agent string for Teams. I haven't tested it, but it appears to work for people: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/teams-phone-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/teams-phone-f...

lukevp 7y ago

Why not use Teams Live for this? We have been using zoom and Teams alternately and Teams performance and ease of use has been much better in my experience, but we have yet to do a 200+ all hands so I was curious if there were some footguns with teams live that you may know about. Teams live works on a lot of platforms and also has a web version.

reaperducer 7y ago
Why not use Teams Live for this? My wife was on a Teams videoconference last week. 125 people in four locations from New York to Southern California. An hour into it, half of the people were simultaneously dropped, and not from any particular geography. It was random. And nobody could reconnect for a very long time. It took 45 minutes to restart the meeting. The company is no longer using Teams.
- freehunter 7y ago
  To be fair I’ve seen the same thing happen with Zoom. During a 2 hour meeting with a client, about half of my team was dropped and couldn’t get back into the meeting for several minutes.
- mgkimsal 7y ago
  have only recently started using teams with one client. small group (max 6 folks I think) and... we've had issues with it - someone's video freezing, audio garbled/dropping, etc - twice in 2 days. but... I'm sort of chalking it up to potentially overloaded/bad net connections in the wake of all the WFH and remote meeting stuff being used. We had issues with connecting to zoom (and their phone numbers) last week as well, so I'm not ready to pull the plug on teams entirely until we have more experience under our belts.
- mynameisvlad 7y ago
  Teams live events (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-live-events/what-are-teams-live-events https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-live-e...) which the parent comment was refering to is actually a specific feature in Teams that is only available for certain levels AFAIK but supports vastly more people than a standard Teams meeting.
basch 7y ago
The predecessor, Skype Broadcast allowed completely anonymous viewing, basically a twitch or youtube stream. In the name of growth hacking, the Teams team decided to force people to the app, you couldnt watch the video stream from a mobile device without the teams app. Which is a huge amount of friction for a mobile workforce that isnt using teams. Maybe this has changed since I last talked to Microsoft, but even their own team was unhappy with it. But if you still have access to broadcast.skype.com, it still works, until they decide it shouldnt.
alasdair_ 7y ago
The only Teams Live meeting I've ever tried to join, we had two people who gave up because their web version didn't support Safari without having to manually go deep into their preferences and change settings from the default.
aequitas 7y ago
I don't know of any, but our teams uses Slack, not Teams. Barely any complaints about Slack video chat btw, but that's all small sessions anyways.
snowwrestler 7y ago
My employer has used Teams Live for all-hands meetings from home the last couple weeks and it worked great for ~350 attendees.

specialist 7y ago

App installation should always just be a file copy. Deinstallation should always just be a move to Trash (or ~/Disabled equiv). IMHO. I'm even uncomfortable with config scattered everywhere. The continued need for those 3rd party uninstallers is an admission of failure. Source: released products ported to misc Windows, classic Mac, modern Mac. Our dev, QA, Test, tech supp was always so much easier on Mac. Not least because we could have multiple current versions installed. Which allows troubleshooting, rollbacks, etc. Caveat: I personally use package managers and am curious to see if Nix becomes the norm. So I may change my mind in the future.

johannes1234321 7y ago
If the file is only moved to trash it will keep configuration and other artefacts around or not support such features or the file ahs to be mutable, which is questionable from a security pov
- specialist 7y ago
  Thanks. I've been chewing on your reply. I didn't get very far. It finally occurs to me that macOS (or equiv) could implement iOS (or equiv) style sandboxing. Maybe that's already in progress. As a dev and former power user, I'm sure it'll be uncomfortable.

enedil 7y ago

In fact, if you change URL from /j/CONFERENCE_NUMBER to /wc/join/CONFERENCE_NUMBER you won't be needing to wait for that link.

aequitas 7y ago
There is also a browser plugin a saw floating by a couple of days ago that would just enforce this step, but can't find it anymore.
- borgel 7y ago
  From another commenter on another HN thread https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

> Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication > to run Zoom in the browser [...] I have to use Chrome instead of Firefox. Just a note, Slack and Teams calls also won't work in Firefox. It's really annoying. Hangouts works fine in Firefox though, somewhat unexpectedly.

cpeterso 7y ago
Here are the Firefox bug reports for Slack calls: https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/12975 https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/12975 And Teams calls: https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/25070 https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/25070 Slack originally relied on non-standard, Chrome-specific WebRTC behavior and now is prioritizing development of their Electron app over web support. There is a Firefox extension to spoof Chrome's User-Agent string for Teams. I haven't tested it, but it appears to work for people: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/teams-phone-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/teams-phone-f...