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these reasons make sense, but they don't seem to be representative of anything uniquely "lady". i'm sure there are plenty of guys not interested in coding for

by andylei 16y ago

these reasons make sense, but they don't seem to be representative of anything uniquely "lady". i'm sure there are plenty of guys not interested in coding for free in their spare time, as well as girls that feel just the opposite.

Benjo 16y ago
Is there some reason the author should be able to explain the motivation of all female coders? She saw that people were wondering why females weren't showing up, and she gave her personal reasons. She's giving a single data point, not trying to draw a conclusion.
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- AndyKelley 16y ago
  Yes, because she says "I, lady coder" in the title. This implies that she's speaking for women. If she wasn't, then she shouldn't mention her gender.
  - Benjo 16y ago
    My point stands. She identifies herself as female for the purposes of giving a data point and explain why she wrote the post in the first place. The author left a follow-up comment: my point isn't that that female coders aren't interested -- it's that I am not interested, and a lot of day-job-coders aren't interested So regardless of your interpretation, she wasn't trying to speak for all women. Personally I think it's a stretch to draw that conclusion.
mithaler 16y ago
That's not quite true--there is this bit: > I'm actually pretty flattered that you'd like me to come to these events. There's just little in it for me, while you guys get some good publicity with me and my fine lady coder friends in attendance while you take the obligatory geek girls are cute picture. I can understand not wanting to feel like she's on display (since regardless of how true it is that she would be--which I personally don't doubt--it sounds like she would feel that way).
- AndyKelley 16y ago
  That's not our fault, that's merely a product of the fact that hackathons are mostly guys. If it were mostly girls and only a couple guys, then the reverse would happen when guys showed up. We shouldn't have to pretend that it's not weird for the one girl who shows up to what was an all-guys event. We should figure out how to get the gender ratio closer to even in the first place so that it's not a big deal when girls show up - no pretending necessary.
  - mithaler 16y ago
    Oh, don't get me wrong--I agree. It's not their fault that women at hackathons are genuinely uncommon, and they're not bad people for acknowledging this (though I would argue that they shouldn't gawk and draw undue attention to them, and this is admittedly a fine line to walk). But by the same token, it's not her fault either that that's the case. It feeds an unpleasant vicious cycle. It's a good example of the fact that it's very hard for people from an underrepresented group to break into something that's traditionally not "their field". I feel a lot of respect for the ones who are brave enough to be among the first ones (and who aren't naturally the sort who enjoy the extra attention they get, be it positive or negative--which I'm going to guess from this post that the OP is not).

by andylei 16y ago

Benjo 16y ago

Is there some reason the author should be able to explain the motivation of all female coders? She saw that people were wondering why females weren't showing up, and she gave her personal reasons. She's giving a single data point, not trying to draw a conclusion.

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AndyKelley 16y ago
Yes, because she says "I, lady coder" in the title. This implies that she's speaking for women. If she wasn't, then she shouldn't mention her gender.
- Benjo 16y ago
  My point stands. She identifies herself as female for the purposes of giving a data point and explain why she wrote the post in the first place. The author left a follow-up comment: my point isn't that that female coders aren't interested -- it's that I am not interested, and a lot of day-job-coders aren't interested So regardless of your interpretation, she wasn't trying to speak for all women. Personally I think it's a stretch to draw that conclusion.

mithaler 16y ago

That's not quite true--there is this bit: > I'm actually pretty flattered that you'd like me to come to these events. There's just little in it for me, while you guys get some good publicity with me and my fine lady coder friends in attendance while you take the obligatory geek girls are cute picture. I can understand not wanting to feel like she's on display (since regardless of how true it is that she would be--which I personally don't doubt--it sounds like she would feel that way).

AndyKelley 16y ago
That's not our fault, that's merely a product of the fact that hackathons are mostly guys. If it were mostly girls and only a couple guys, then the reverse would happen when guys showed up. We shouldn't have to pretend that it's not weird for the one girl who shows up to what was an all-guys event. We should figure out how to get the gender ratio closer to even in the first place so that it's not a big deal when girls show up - no pretending necessary.
- mithaler 16y ago
  Oh, don't get me wrong--I agree. It's not their fault that women at hackathons are genuinely uncommon, and they're not bad people for acknowledging this (though I would argue that they shouldn't gawk and draw undue attention to them, and this is admittedly a fine line to walk). But by the same token, it's not her fault either that that's the case. It feeds an unpleasant vicious cycle. It's a good example of the fact that it's very hard for people from an underrepresented group to break into something that's traditionally not "their field". I feel a lot of respect for the ones who are brave enough to be among the first ones (and who aren't naturally the sort who enjoy the extra attention they get, be it positive or negative--which I'm going to guess from this post that the OP is not).