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TBF it's mostly short sellers doing this, because the complaints have been... poor. The first one was about an advertisement pixel, which everybody is doing bu

TBF it's mostly short sellers doing this, because the complaints have been... poor. The first one was about an advertisement pixel, which everybody is doing but for some reason surfaced only for Zoom. The second one is end-to-end encryption, which is not expected at all for VC apps. NOBODY does it!

fsh 7y ago
I really hope that this stupid "short seller conspiracy" meme is going away soon. According to the article Apple does end-to-end encryption for video conferences. Also other providers are not lying about it like zoom does.
- ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
  Apple has a VC product? I wasn't aware of this
  - fsh 7y ago
    FaceTime can do group chats since 2018.
honesttoss 7y ago
>NOBODY does it! Irrelevant. That as nothing to due with the fact that they say they are. Zoom is being completely dishonest, and as some other commented here, some orgs like in health care area, have E2E encryption as requirement, Zoom says they have, but don't. It's literally fraud.
- gtirloni 7y ago
  Where does it say they have e2e video encryption? I can only find something about chats.
  - mabcat 7y ago
    https://zoom.us/healthcare https://zoom.us/healthcare "Achieve HIPAA (signed BAA) and PIPEDA/PHIPA compliance with complete end-to-end 256-bit AES encryption."
    - drjesusphd 7y ago
      What if one pays $200/mo for the HIPAA-compliant plans?
    - ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
      1. HIPAA et al have very specific meaning that do not have anything to do with end-to-end encryption at all. If you know this, read this line, and care about HIPAA you know exactly this. 2. end-to-end has several meanings, for users it means what Signal does, for machines it means TLS is securing edges.
phonon 7y ago
> NOBODY does it! Google Duo does. https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
- ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
  It is not a VC application, it's a user chat application
  - phonon 7y ago
    You can have a group call with up to 12 people now. https://www.neowin.net/news/google-duo-now-supports-up-to-12-people-in-a-group-video-call/ https://www.neowin.net/news/google-duo-now-supports-up-to-12...

fsh 7y ago

I really hope that this stupid "short seller conspiracy" meme is going away soon. According to the article Apple does end-to-end encryption for video conferences. Also other providers are not lying about it like zoom does.

ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
Apple has a VC product? I wasn't aware of this
- fsh 7y ago
  FaceTime can do group chats since 2018.

honesttoss 7y ago

>NOBODY does it! Irrelevant. That as nothing to due with the fact that they say they are. Zoom is being completely dishonest, and as some other commented here, some orgs like in health care area, have E2E encryption as requirement, Zoom says they have, but don't. It's literally fraud.

gtirloni 7y ago
Where does it say they have e2e video encryption? I can only find something about chats.
- mabcat 7y ago
  https://zoom.us/healthcare https://zoom.us/healthcare "Achieve HIPAA (signed BAA) and PIPEDA/PHIPA compliance with complete end-to-end 256-bit AES encryption."
  - drjesusphd 7y ago
    What if one pays $200/mo for the HIPAA-compliant plans?
  - ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
    1. HIPAA et al have very specific meaning that do not have anything to do with end-to-end encryption at all. If you know this, read this line, and care about HIPAA you know exactly this. 2. end-to-end has several meanings, for users it means what Signal does, for machines it means TLS is securing edges.

phonon 7y ago

> NOBODY does it! Google Duo does. https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en

ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
It is not a VC application, it's a user chat application
- phonon 7y ago
  You can have a group call with up to 12 people now. https://www.neowin.net/news/google-duo-now-supports-up-to-12-people-in-a-group-video-call/ https://www.neowin.net/news/google-duo-now-supports-up-to-12...