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There's a lot less Picard and a lot more young hot peoples' interpersonal drama than I'd like. It also commits STD's cardinal sin of throwing away the basic con

There's a lot less Picard and a lot more young hot peoples' interpersonal drama than I'd like. It also commits STD's cardinal sin of throwing away the basic concept of Star Trek, that being that society as a whole can become better than we are now, that the human condition can be meaningfully improved. However, the action and characters are good. You just have to tell yourself that it's an alternate timeline where instead of making humans better, first contact turned them all into assholes.

laumars 7y ago
I don't think that's fair. Star Trek has always had a subculture of "assholes" it's just they were exactly that, a subculture. In Star Wars you had opulent planets with cities and a strong economy and you also had desert planets with pirates and shanty towns. And in Firefly you had the inner planets who were rich and well educated but also the outer planets with cowboys and call girls. Star Trek has always followed a similar narrative where there was a subculture. The difference with Star Trek is that subculture was less visible -- in part due to the evolution of the human spirit (as you mentioned) -- but it was still there. With Picard, [WARNING very minor spoiler follows], the story has to spend more time mixing around that subculture because the point of series is that this is Picard's mission rather than Starfleet's.
simion314 7y ago
I don't want to spoil ST Picard, so I am just asking if you seen this DS9 episode https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paradise_Lost_(episode) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paradise_Lost_(episode) and what you think about how Federation reacts when it is panicked. IMO ST PIC is showing a similar panicked reaction and if you watch the full show you will see it is optimistic and is very Trek.
- matheusmoreira 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight A Starfleet officer participates in the assassination of a romulan politician. The enemy is framed for it, resulting in the romulans entering the war on the Federation's side. This episode is the ultimate answer to the notion that Starfleet will always devise some scientific or diplomatic solution that will allow them to keep the moral high ground. No, Starfleet is not above assassinations and political maneuvering. There's also Section 31 whose existence predates even the Federation. Were it not for the persistence of a few idealistic officers, they would have successfully committed genocide through use of biological weapons by the end of DS9. > Interesting, isn't it? The Federation claims to abhor Section 31's tactics, but when they need the dirty work done, they look the other way. It's a tidy little arrangement, wouldn't you say?

laumars 7y ago

I don't think that's fair. Star Trek has always had a subculture of "assholes" it's just they were exactly that, a subculture. In Star Wars you had opulent planets with cities and a strong economy and you also had desert planets with pirates and shanty towns. And in Firefly you had the inner planets who were rich and well educated but also the outer planets with cowboys and call girls. Star Trek has always followed a similar narrative where there was a subculture. The difference with Star Trek is that subculture was less visible -- in part due to the evolution of the human spirit (as you mentioned) -- but it was still there. With Picard, [WARNING very minor spoiler follows], the story has to spend more time mixing around that subculture because the point of series is that this is Picard's mission rather than Starfleet's.

simion314 7y ago

I don't want to spoil ST Picard, so I am just asking if you seen this DS9 episode https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paradise_Lost_(episode) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paradise_Lost_(episode) and what you think about how Federation reacts when it is panicked. IMO ST PIC is showing a similar panicked reaction and if you watch the full show you will see it is optimistic and is very Trek.

matheusmoreira 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight A Starfleet officer participates in the assassination of a romulan politician. The enemy is framed for it, resulting in the romulans entering the war on the Federation's side. This episode is the ultimate answer to the notion that Starfleet will always devise some scientific or diplomatic solution that will allow them to keep the moral high ground. No, Starfleet is not above assassinations and political maneuvering. There's also Section 31 whose existence predates even the Federation. Were it not for the persistence of a few idealistic officers, they would have successfully committed genocide through use of biological weapons by the end of DS9. > Interesting, isn't it? The Federation claims to abhor Section 31's tactics, but when they need the dirty work done, they look the other way. It's a tidy little arrangement, wouldn't you say?