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I've done stuff that normal people would consider ubercool - doing illegal raves, run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza, throwing parties for the jetset. When s

by mixmax 16y ago

I've done stuff that normal people would consider ubercool - doing illegal raves, run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza, throwing parties for the jetset. When seen from the outside it looks amazing - you get to talk to models, you get free booze, get in for free at all the clubs and have sex with models. The thing that nobody tells you is that it's hard work. Most of the actors that go to the oscars aren't there to get drunk or laid, for them it's a chance to talk shop with their colleauges. When James Cameron is talking to Natalie Portman he isn't chatting her up, he's trying to get her to star in his new movie. If, by accident, John Cusack gets drunk at one of the clubs he gets into for free he'll be all over the tabloids and he won't get that next role, so he can't do it. A friend of mine just came back from a tour with a known rock-band. They worked hard from nine in the morning until after midnight six days a week. The last day of the week they just wanted to get home to their families. No screwing around with models, no getting drunk and no clubbing. Just hard work. The rockstar life is mostly something the media makes up. Remember that the grass is always greener on the other side. Or as Brad Pitt once said "Fame's a bitch man"

moe 16y ago
run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza Most of the actors that go to the oscars Sorry, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to compare "running a bar on Ibiza" to "running for the oscars"? Yes, chatting up Natalie Portman may be considered "hard work" by some, but then again... John Cusack gets drunk at one of the clubs he gets into for free he'll be all over the tabloids and he won't get that next role, so he can't do it. What a cruel world where a poor hollywood millionaire can't even get drunk in public.
- roel_v 16y ago
  "run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza" "Sorry, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to compare "running a bar on Ibiza" to "running for the oscars"?" No. Ibiza is to the European house scene (which is huge) what the Oscars are for movies. Except that the season in Ibiza is several months, of course.
CWIZO 16y ago
I've read Slash's autobiography. It describes his life exactly as one, that is not in the know, would imagine it. That was in the eighties & nineties. Maybe times are different now.
- mixmax 16y ago
  I can only comment based on my own observations, but I see two explanations: 1) Slash is an outlier. I'm sure there are rockstars and actors that spend most of their time doing drugs and chatting up models. There are probably people like this in all fields of life. 2) His public persona is greatly enhanced by writing an autobiography that portrays him as true rock'n roll. It's great marketing. The truth is probaly somewhere in between.
  - stcredzero 16y ago
    Henry Rollins has a monologue about this sort of thing he did for his spoken word tours. The one time some hot groupie takes all of her clothes off and knocks on his hotel room door, he's freaked out by some news story and afraid to come to his door! The only reason he knows about it is because of another band member that spotted her. I play Irish Trad, and I'm as far from a rockstar as you can get, and even I had a groupie once. Once. It was a good one, though. We literally broke the bed. Nuff said. Unless you know them really well, and you're actually good friends (not acquaintances) just stay the frack away from roadies. Some of them are utter scumbags and their wanna-be ism drives them to do rotten stuff. (Like invite me and my two cool, cute female friends to an "after party" where I end up being slipped a mickey and shoved to the side like luggage and one of my friends winds up with herpes. True story.) EDIT: No, I didn't wind up with a sore butt and herpes too, thank God.
  - dalore 16y ago
    Isn't a rockstar by definition an outlier?
    - route66 16y ago
      That's the marketing.
nl 16y ago
On the other hand, there is Charlie Sheen
- mistermann 16y ago
  And a variety of other Hollywood or other entertainment supserstars who are definitely not "on the clock" 24x7. A lot of entertainers don't need to kiss ass, and some don't care to.
- bobds 16y ago
  "I exercise regularly. I eat moderate amounts of healthy food. I make sure to get plenty of rest. I see my doctor once a year and my dentist twice a year. I floss every night. I've had chest x-rays, cardio stress tests, EKG's and colonoscopies. I see a psychologist and have a variety of hobbies to reduce stress. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't have crazy, reckless sex with strangers. If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I'm gonna be really pissed." From Chuck Lorre, producer of Two and Half Men. http://chucklorre.com/index.php?p=329 http://chucklorre.com/index.php?p=329
- wisty 16y ago
  The guy who had a good run, ran down his good-will, and then got his whole team fired?
- iuguy 16y ago
  Winning. One dying brain cell at a time.
stcredzero 16y ago
I remember some article about the band Elastica. They were on top of the charts, on the covers of magazines, they were "it." In contrast to the popstar image, they stayed in the hotel room, played Scrabble, went to bed early.
- wmat 16y ago
  Rush did that first.
- waterlesscloud 16y ago
  I worked in record stores for a couple of years a long time ago, and we'd have musicians come in to make appearances or shop for music or whatever. One of the more interesting visits was Winger, a mid-range hair metal band of the era. They were extremely polite, very well informed about the business of their tour when I talked with them, and they bought a good number of 50s era jazz cds to listen to in their bus.
  - stcredzero 16y ago
    I heard a bit from Alice Cooper on NPR recently, about how he was the inspiration for younger musicians to shock audiences with fake blood and satan worship, but then he'd meet those guys back stage, they were all like, "mr cooper, I'm so honored to meet you. this is my mom. she baked you some cookies."
    - bitwize 16y ago
      "One of the most fascinating things about Milwaukee is that it's the only major American city ever to have elected three socialist mayors."
  - knv 16y ago
    >they bought a good number of 50s era jazz cds to listen to in their bus. It's may be because Rod Morgenstien (their drummer) is basically a Jazz Fusion musician.
ojbyrne 16y ago
... Keith Richard is another outlier, based on his book. Though he does mention the hard work, he also describes lots of debauchery.
- jnorthrop 16y ago
  I just finished his book as well, and he does mention long work sessions and the hard slog of being on the road, but there are plenty of months (and years) where he is "living it up" in Tangiers, Jamaica, the South of France, etc. Sounded to me like he lives a pretty sweet life.
juiceandjuice 16y ago
Your friend is there to work so the band doesn't have to. My friends opened for Weezer and I helped them with guitars on stage. The whole thing was hilarious to us. We just pointed and people did whatever we asked. Also, all those guys (Weezer + Angels and Airwaves) mostly took their family on tour and hid in their catered rooms til it was time to come out.
mbesto 16y ago
I was a rather highly paid consultant at a young age with zero debt to my name out of school. Therefore, I was fortunate enough at the age of 22-24 to be able to afford random lavish vacations (Cannes, Prague, Miami, Vegas, etc) and lived in Germany and NYC for some time. I would do the whole "bottle and models" type gig every once in awhile, although barely part of my regular routine. There is something about being a geek in those settings that is, hmmmmm, I don't know, rewarding?
rtaycher 16y ago
my uninformed opinion; I wouldn't be surprised if a decent number of celebrities aren't the most hard-working and party a decent amount. 2 things first I'm sure that behind the Aces and hard working underachievers there are those who are famous and don't mind coasting and trusting to luck for long stretches rather then looking for opportunities at every corner. Second having a family and being serious about being part of it probably limits your time significantly but there are those who don't have families or don't invest a decent amount of time in their families.

by mixmax 16y ago

moe 16y ago

run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza Most of the actors that go to the oscars Sorry, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to compare "running a bar on Ibiza" to "running for the oscars"? Yes, chatting up Natalie Portman may be considered "hard work" by some, but then again... John Cusack gets drunk at one of the clubs he gets into for free he'll be all over the tabloids and he won't get that next role, so he can't do it. What a cruel world where a poor hollywood millionaire can't even get drunk in public.

roel_v 16y ago
"run one of the hottest bars in Ibiza" "Sorry, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to compare "running a bar on Ibiza" to "running for the oscars"?" No. Ibiza is to the European house scene (which is huge) what the Oscars are for movies. Except that the season in Ibiza is several months, of course.

CWIZO 16y ago

I've read Slash's autobiography. It describes his life exactly as one, that is not in the know, would imagine it. That was in the eighties & nineties. Maybe times are different now.

mixmax 16y ago
I can only comment based on my own observations, but I see two explanations: 1) Slash is an outlier. I'm sure there are rockstars and actors that spend most of their time doing drugs and chatting up models. There are probably people like this in all fields of life. 2) His public persona is greatly enhanced by writing an autobiography that portrays him as true rock'n roll. It's great marketing. The truth is probaly somewhere in between.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  Henry Rollins has a monologue about this sort of thing he did for his spoken word tours. The one time some hot groupie takes all of her clothes off and knocks on his hotel room door, he's freaked out by some news story and afraid to come to his door! The only reason he knows about it is because of another band member that spotted her. I play Irish Trad, and I'm as far from a rockstar as you can get, and even I had a groupie once. Once. It was a good one, though. We literally broke the bed. Nuff said. Unless you know them really well, and you're actually good friends (not acquaintances) just stay the frack away from roadies. Some of them are utter scumbags and their wanna-be ism drives them to do rotten stuff. (Like invite me and my two cool, cute female friends to an "after party" where I end up being slipped a mickey and shoved to the side like luggage and one of my friends winds up with herpes. True story.) EDIT: No, I didn't wind up with a sore butt and herpes too, thank God.
- dalore 16y ago
  Isn't a rockstar by definition an outlier?
  - route66 16y ago
    That's the marketing.

nl 16y ago

On the other hand, there is Charlie Sheen

mistermann 16y ago
And a variety of other Hollywood or other entertainment supserstars who are definitely not "on the clock" 24x7. A lot of entertainers don't need to kiss ass, and some don't care to.
bobds 16y ago
"I exercise regularly. I eat moderate amounts of healthy food. I make sure to get plenty of rest. I see my doctor once a year and my dentist twice a year. I floss every night. I've had chest x-rays, cardio stress tests, EKG's and colonoscopies. I see a psychologist and have a variety of hobbies to reduce stress. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't have crazy, reckless sex with strangers. If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I'm gonna be really pissed." From Chuck Lorre, producer of Two and Half Men. http://chucklorre.com/index.php?p=329 http://chucklorre.com/index.php?p=329
wisty 16y ago
The guy who had a good run, ran down his good-will, and then got his whole team fired?
iuguy 16y ago
Winning. One dying brain cell at a time.

stcredzero 16y ago

I remember some article about the band Elastica. They were on top of the charts, on the covers of magazines, they were "it." In contrast to the popstar image, they stayed in the hotel room, played Scrabble, went to bed early.

wmat 16y ago
Rush did that first.
waterlesscloud 16y ago
I worked in record stores for a couple of years a long time ago, and we'd have musicians come in to make appearances or shop for music or whatever. One of the more interesting visits was Winger, a mid-range hair metal band of the era. They were extremely polite, very well informed about the business of their tour when I talked with them, and they bought a good number of 50s era jazz cds to listen to in their bus.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  I heard a bit from Alice Cooper on NPR recently, about how he was the inspiration for younger musicians to shock audiences with fake blood and satan worship, but then he'd meet those guys back stage, they were all like, "mr cooper, I'm so honored to meet you. this is my mom. she baked you some cookies."
  - bitwize 16y ago
    "One of the most fascinating things about Milwaukee is that it's the only major American city ever to have elected three socialist mayors."
- knv 16y ago
  >they bought a good number of 50s era jazz cds to listen to in their bus. It's may be because Rod Morgenstien (their drummer) is basically a Jazz Fusion musician.

ojbyrne 16y ago

... Keith Richard is another outlier, based on his book. Though he does mention the hard work, he also describes lots of debauchery.

jnorthrop 16y ago
I just finished his book as well, and he does mention long work sessions and the hard slog of being on the road, but there are plenty of months (and years) where he is "living it up" in Tangiers, Jamaica, the South of France, etc. Sounded to me like he lives a pretty sweet life.

juiceandjuice 16y ago

Your friend is there to work so the band doesn't have to. My friends opened for Weezer and I helped them with guitars on stage. The whole thing was hilarious to us. We just pointed and people did whatever we asked. Also, all those guys (Weezer + Angels and Airwaves) mostly took their family on tour and hid in their catered rooms til it was time to come out.

mbesto 16y ago

I was a rather highly paid consultant at a young age with zero debt to my name out of school. Therefore, I was fortunate enough at the age of 22-24 to be able to afford random lavish vacations (Cannes, Prague, Miami, Vegas, etc) and lived in Germany and NYC for some time. I would do the whole "bottle and models" type gig every once in awhile, although barely part of my regular routine. There is something about being a geek in those settings that is, hmmmmm, I don't know, rewarding?

rtaycher 16y ago

my uninformed opinion; I wouldn't be surprised if a decent number of celebrities aren't the most hard-working and party a decent amount. 2 things first I'm sure that behind the Aces and hard working underachievers there are those who are famous and don't mind coasting and trusting to luck for long stretches rather then looking for opportunities at every corner. Second having a family and being serious about being part of it probably limits your time significantly but there are those who don't have families or don't invest a decent amount of time in their families.