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I find it amazing that humans have the capacity to have empathy for one class, people who might die from an illness, yet have zero empathy for another, people w

I find it amazing that humans have the capacity to have empathy for one class, people who might die from an illness, yet have zero empathy for another, people who are currently working in a now high-risk job who are demanding fair pay. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

quotemstr 7y ago
Who decides what pay is fair?
- magicalist 7y ago
  > Who decides what pay is fair? >>> ...demand extraordinary pay? Shame on the strikers for exploiting a catastrophe... I mean, apparently you felt qualified...
  - quotemstr 7y ago
    > I mean, apparently you felt qualified... My benchmark is the market. That people are working for whatever Amazon is paying is evidence that their wages are adequate. What's your line of reasoning? Is Amazon somehow enslaving these people?
    - adultSwim 7y ago
      It's evidence that this is their current best opportunity. 1.5 million American families live on less than $2 / person / day
      - quotemstr 7y ago
        > It's evidence that this is their current best opportunity. So? That's how markets work. It's why you're paid whatever you get instead of making $10 billion per year. We each earn our marginal product. There is no rational basis for arbitrarily selecting certain market outcomes and calling them "unfair". A fair wage is whatever the market establishes.
        wbronitsky 7y ago
        That rational basis you're looking is called morals. We owe things to each other, although you seem inclined to believe otherwise, and are pushing what is obviously a callous and simplistic version of our society. I will not continue to argue with you though as this argument is not worth considering any longer.
        chickenpotpie 7y ago
        If people were paid their marginal product, no company would make money. If you pay someone the amount of money they bring to the company, the company would make zero additional dollars by employing them. We are paid based off how hard it is to replace ourselves, not the value we bring. Say x is marginal product, y is the salary someone is paid, and z is the salary to minimize replacement. Every efficient job is x>=y>=z. Fairness is when Y is as close to X as possible. It is fair to get paid as closely to the value you bring as possible, but the market often creates y that are closer to z.
        quotemstr 7y ago
        Yes. The marginal product thing is an asymptote in the steady state, so it's not quite true in the real world, as you point out.
    - magicalist 7y ago
      > My benchmark is the market. That people are working for whatever Amazon is paying is evidence that their wages are adequate. That's begging the question and totally separate from your OP strikers are "exploiting a catastrophe" argument.
    - petermcneeley 7y ago
      I dont understand how this is also not purely the market as well. Are they not simply just removing their labor voluntarily? Their coordination is no different than the coordination of any large corporation that involves thousands of independent minds.

quotemstr 7y ago

Who decides what pay is fair?

magicalist 7y ago
> Who decides what pay is fair? >>> ...demand extraordinary pay? Shame on the strikers for exploiting a catastrophe... I mean, apparently you felt qualified...
- quotemstr 7y ago
  > I mean, apparently you felt qualified... My benchmark is the market. That people are working for whatever Amazon is paying is evidence that their wages are adequate. What's your line of reasoning? Is Amazon somehow enslaving these people?
  - adultSwim 7y ago
    It's evidence that this is their current best opportunity. 1.5 million American families live on less than $2 / person / day
    - quotemstr 7y ago
      > It's evidence that this is their current best opportunity. So? That's how markets work. It's why you're paid whatever you get instead of making $10 billion per year. We each earn our marginal product. There is no rational basis for arbitrarily selecting certain market outcomes and calling them "unfair". A fair wage is whatever the market establishes.
      - wbronitsky 7y ago
        That rational basis you're looking is called morals. We owe things to each other, although you seem inclined to believe otherwise, and are pushing what is obviously a callous and simplistic version of our society. I will not continue to argue with you though as this argument is not worth considering any longer.
      - chickenpotpie 7y ago
        If people were paid their marginal product, no company would make money. If you pay someone the amount of money they bring to the company, the company would make zero additional dollars by employing them. We are paid based off how hard it is to replace ourselves, not the value we bring. Say x is marginal product, y is the salary someone is paid, and z is the salary to minimize replacement. Every efficient job is x>=y>=z. Fairness is when Y is as close to X as possible. It is fair to get paid as closely to the value you bring as possible, but the market often creates y that are closer to z.
        quotemstr 7y ago
        Yes. The marginal product thing is an asymptote in the steady state, so it's not quite true in the real world, as you point out.
  - magicalist 7y ago
    > My benchmark is the market. That people are working for whatever Amazon is paying is evidence that their wages are adequate. That's begging the question and totally separate from your OP strikers are "exploiting a catastrophe" argument.
  - petermcneeley 7y ago
    I dont understand how this is also not purely the market as well. Are they not simply just removing their labor voluntarily? Their coordination is no different than the coordination of any large corporation that involves thousands of independent minds.