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This is what inflation looks like. If this continues, the US is going to be in a world of hurt (if workers demand more, guess what is happening prices). Inflati

This is what inflation looks like. If this continues, the US is going to be in a world of hurt (if workers demand more, guess what is happening prices). Inflation would utterly ravage the economy right now. Just generally too: if Amazon announced they were hiking prices 50% overnight, how would you react? This move is pretty scummy.

aphextron 7y ago
Instant grocery delivery is a luxury. Customers can and should be asked to pay more for the service. Otherwise do it yourself. It is completely unsustainable to expect an hour's worth of labor for $5.
- rstupek 7y ago
  ...an extra $5 and minimum 10% tip, not $5 per order.
  - magicalist 7y ago
    > minimum 10% tip default to 10% instead of 5%; it's a UX nudge. The user can always change it.
    - rstupek 7y ago
      ok I read it as minimum 10%, not thinking the UI would let you change it lower.
  - aphextron 7y ago
    I'm referring to what they make now. A shopper grosses under $5/trip without tips.
- jahaja 7y ago
  This. So much. People are behaving like it's an essential utility for the broader public, rather than a luxury for the (upper) middle-class. Usually sounds very similar with Uber and other low-paying services.
- creato 7y ago
  It says additional $5 per order. I don't know how many orders per hour is typical, but this could easily be $20-50/hour if the deliveries can be batched by location? For the record, I'd be perfectly happy with the price of these delivery services increasing by $5 if it went to the gig worker fulfilling it. That's already a lot less than I tip food delivery drivers.
munk-a 7y ago
Sorry - can you clarify if the workers demanding PPE is the portion you're calling scummy? Or the modest hazard pay?
- hogFeast 7y ago
  Er no. It is waiting for a pandemic, and then removing your labour to demand a significant wage hike (I have no idea how this will work out but it is clearly significantly beyond 20%+..."modest" is not an accurate description). There are likely vulnerable people who rely on this service to feed themselves, removing their food so you can make a quick buck is pretty scummy. Again, how would you feel about Amazon hiking the price of hand sanitizer 50%? It will be great to see this play out though. I live somewhere (unf) that had unions running govt for a period of decades. The US never really had this so is under the illusion that this kind of thing achieves it aims. It doesn't. What happens is most of these people don't have jobs anymore, you have to hike interest rates so most people lose their homes (and bye bye, VC funding...that will just stop overnight...I would guess the majority of the people on here will lose their jobs, and modify their opinions too late), and the price of food starts increasing daily. And btw, this should be obvious but apparently isn't, this is going to go on for at least a year. At some point, people are going to have to learn how to go about their daily life without infecting other people. The alternative is: most of these jobs stop existing, and the economy shrinks significantly (10%+). Lockdown and people deciding they need "hazard pay" to do their normal job isn't a permanent solution (central banks will be watching this closely and will be ready to hike rates as soon as it starts).
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    They're demanding a wage hike because they're literally being exposed to the virus…
    - hogFeast 7y ago
      Yes, everyone will be exposed to the virus. As I specifically mentioned: this is going to last for a year (probably more). Everyone is going to have to learn how to continue doing their job with that. There is no other option: the govt doesn't have enough money, business doesn't have enough money, consumers don't have enough money...everyone is going to have to do their job with this happening.

aphextron 7y ago

Instant grocery delivery is a luxury. Customers can and should be asked to pay more for the service. Otherwise do it yourself. It is completely unsustainable to expect an hour's worth of labor for $5.

rstupek 7y ago
...an extra $5 and minimum 10% tip, not $5 per order.
- magicalist 7y ago
  > minimum 10% tip default to 10% instead of 5%; it's a UX nudge. The user can always change it.
  - rstupek 7y ago
    ok I read it as minimum 10%, not thinking the UI would let you change it lower.
- aphextron 7y ago
  I'm referring to what they make now. A shopper grosses under $5/trip without tips.
jahaja 7y ago
This. So much. People are behaving like it's an essential utility for the broader public, rather than a luxury for the (upper) middle-class. Usually sounds very similar with Uber and other low-paying services.
creato 7y ago
It says additional $5 per order. I don't know how many orders per hour is typical, but this could easily be $20-50/hour if the deliveries can be batched by location? For the record, I'd be perfectly happy with the price of these delivery services increasing by $5 if it went to the gig worker fulfilling it. That's already a lot less than I tip food delivery drivers.

munk-a 7y ago

Sorry - can you clarify if the workers demanding PPE is the portion you're calling scummy? Or the modest hazard pay?

hogFeast 7y ago
Er no. It is waiting for a pandemic, and then removing your labour to demand a significant wage hike (I have no idea how this will work out but it is clearly significantly beyond 20%+..."modest" is not an accurate description). There are likely vulnerable people who rely on this service to feed themselves, removing their food so you can make a quick buck is pretty scummy. Again, how would you feel about Amazon hiking the price of hand sanitizer 50%? It will be great to see this play out though. I live somewhere (unf) that had unions running govt for a period of decades. The US never really had this so is under the illusion that this kind of thing achieves it aims. It doesn't. What happens is most of these people don't have jobs anymore, you have to hike interest rates so most people lose their homes (and bye bye, VC funding...that will just stop overnight...I would guess the majority of the people on here will lose their jobs, and modify their opinions too late), and the price of food starts increasing daily. And btw, this should be obvious but apparently isn't, this is going to go on for at least a year. At some point, people are going to have to learn how to go about their daily life without infecting other people. The alternative is: most of these jobs stop existing, and the economy shrinks significantly (10%+). Lockdown and people deciding they need "hazard pay" to do their normal job isn't a permanent solution (central banks will be watching this closely and will be ready to hike rates as soon as it starts).
- saagarjha 7y ago
  They're demanding a wage hike because they're literally being exposed to the virus…
  - hogFeast 7y ago
    Yes, everyone will be exposed to the virus. As I specifically mentioned: this is going to last for a year (probably more). Everyone is going to have to learn how to continue doing their job with that. There is no other option: the govt doesn't have enough money, business doesn't have enough money, consumers don't have enough money...everyone is going to have to do their job with this happening.