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To be willfully ignorant of the human cost of business decisions is intellectually dishonest and perpetuates the immoral and downright evil corporate cultures.

To be willfully ignorant of the human cost of business decisions is intellectually dishonest and perpetuates the immoral and downright evil corporate cultures. Business decisions cannot be amoral unless you pretend they don't impact other human beings. That in and of itself is immoral. And regardless of what you think the purpose of a company is, they are places where friends socialize and families look out for each other. They're social collectives, and people will do social things where those form. Profit motive or not. They are also a social support system, that's what your salary and health insurance are. And to that point, "doing what they need to do" is synonymous with hurting people for the benefit of others. Removing pay benefits across the board is not prioritizing individuals, but actively harming the people who can tolerate it the least as a group. The reason this is bad optics is because rational and moral people look at these decisions and see them not as amoral acts like you pretend, but evil ones.

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jiveturkey 7y ago
> And regardless of what you think the purpose of a company is, they are places where friends socialize and families look out for each other You are mistaken about how companies actually work, and how they should work. The only rational way to treat a company is in an amoral, unfriendly (wouldn't go so far as to say adversarial) way. Because when push comes to shove, that's how they are going to treat you. Your personal relationships with coworkers are completely different thing than your relationship with the company. I may have misspoke when I said "corporations are not places where ...". Of course those things happen at corporations; after all you are spending the majority of your waking hours there. All of my best friends come from previous jobs. But the corporation itself is not there to facilitate that and support that, not even as a "side purpose". ISTM that you do not understand capitalism. > The reason this is bad optics is because rational and moral people look at these decisions and see them not as amoral acts like you pretend, but evil ones. Really? It's evil to cut pay by the exact amount the government is giving out, thereby maintaining worker's salary, at a time when it's clear there's not really work for them to do, rather than cutting by an arbitrarily large amount? Or furloughing workers entirely?
- unlinked_dll 7y ago
  All respect friend, but I feel you're the one who are gravely mistaken about what a company is or how it should work. We're not talking about capitalism, but corporatism, and corporations are social organizations and to understand them is not to understand supply and demand but humans and how we gather. The decision to cut pay or lay off employees is never amoral. It's an example of the trolley problem. It is wholly irrational to think a business decision that impacts other human beings and their livelihood as amoral. If it were amoral, managers wouldn't lose sleep at night when they look at the org chart and make hard decisions when push comes to shove. I don't think that this particular decision was evil. I think the attitude you express about how companies "should" or "do" operate is both wrong and at the heart of evil and immoral companies. It's fine if you think I don't understand capitalism, because what I'm talking about is empathy.

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jiveturkey 7y ago

> And regardless of what you think the purpose of a company is, they are places where friends socialize and families look out for each other You are mistaken about how companies actually work, and how they should work. The only rational way to treat a company is in an amoral, unfriendly (wouldn't go so far as to say adversarial) way. Because when push comes to shove, that's how they are going to treat you. Your personal relationships with coworkers are completely different thing than your relationship with the company. I may have misspoke when I said "corporations are not places where ...". Of course those things happen at corporations; after all you are spending the majority of your waking hours there. All of my best friends come from previous jobs. But the corporation itself is not there to facilitate that and support that, not even as a "side purpose". ISTM that you do not understand capitalism. > The reason this is bad optics is because rational and moral people look at these decisions and see them not as amoral acts like you pretend, but evil ones. Really? It's evil to cut pay by the exact amount the government is giving out, thereby maintaining worker's salary, at a time when it's clear there's not really work for them to do, rather than cutting by an arbitrarily large amount? Or furloughing workers entirely?

unlinked_dll 7y ago
All respect friend, but I feel you're the one who are gravely mistaken about what a company is or how it should work. We're not talking about capitalism, but corporatism, and corporations are social organizations and to understand them is not to understand supply and demand but humans and how we gather. The decision to cut pay or lay off employees is never amoral. It's an example of the trolley problem. It is wholly irrational to think a business decision that impacts other human beings and their livelihood as amoral. If it were amoral, managers wouldn't lose sleep at night when they look at the org chart and make hard decisions when push comes to shove. I don't think that this particular decision was evil. I think the attitude you express about how companies "should" or "do" operate is both wrong and at the heart of evil and immoral companies. It's fine if you think I don't understand capitalism, because what I'm talking about is empathy.