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Yea that's my assumption. Don't know what it takes to pull out seating, overheard, flooring?, etc. and what sort of effort that takes time wise. I assume it's n

Yea that's my assumption. Don't know what it takes to pull out seating, overheard, flooring?, etc. and what sort of effort that takes time wise. I assume it's not simple and takes time.

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
For smallish cargoes I don't see why you'd need to rip out anything. Place it on the floorspace in front of seats, place it on the seats. Getting it in an out is a matter of people lifting and carrying. (am not an air cargo freight expert if you haden't realised already, so be gentle)
- ThrowawayR2 7y ago
  I'd imagine that if these parcels are not strapped down and the load shifts in flight because of severe turbulence, that could shift the center of gravity enough to result in a chain of events leading to a crash.
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    I seriously thought that the need to strap down or generally secure this stuff, and that it would be done, was so obvious as to be beneath mentioning. It seems not.
    - vonmoltke 7y ago
      How do you properly secure cargo in receptacles intended to secure humans?
      - luckylion 7y ago
        Is that really an unsolved problem in airline business? It can't be that hard to build small containers that fit on the seat and can be fastened with the seat belt system. Obviously, you won't want to do this for general cargo transport, but for "hey, we have a grounded plane, but transporting air mail gives great rates right now" situations?
        frandroid 7y ago
        So it's not a solved problem on massive scale because there aren't frequent and long worldwide air passenger traffic shutdowns.
      - namibj 7y ago
        German post uses it for next-day letter delivery. They just put the boxes in bags and use the seatbelts to stap the bags to the seats.
  - mullen 7y ago
    You have to secure the loads or they can shift, causing the airplane to crash. I agree that you take out the seats in the aircraft but I don't know if the cargo "hooks" are certified or even there. Cargo can not be loaded into aircraft if it can not be secured into place.
    - coredog64 7y ago
      Seats are installed via a track system present on the floor. Seats are part of what’s called BFE, and a flexible track system means you’re not drilling holes in the floor. Limited loads could be secured in the passenger cabin using the same tracks. Whether or not that actually makes economic sense is a different discussion. You can see this in action here: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/8scjkk/ever_wonder_how_they_got_shorthaul_jets_like_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/8scjkk/ever_wonde...
      - frandroid 7y ago
        Looks like someone could start making cargo containers that secure into BFE, once the seats are removed...
      - deleted 7y ago
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KarlKemp 7y ago
The doors are (one of) the problems.

Yea that's my assumption. Don't know what it takes to pull out seating, overheard, flooring?, etc. and what sort of effort that takes time wise. I assume it's not simple and takes time.

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago

For smallish cargoes I don't see why you'd need to rip out anything. Place it on the floorspace in front of seats, place it on the seats. Getting it in an out is a matter of people lifting and carrying. (am not an air cargo freight expert if you haden't realised already, so be gentle)

ThrowawayR2 7y ago
I'd imagine that if these parcels are not strapped down and the load shifts in flight because of severe turbulence, that could shift the center of gravity enough to result in a chain of events leading to a crash.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  I seriously thought that the need to strap down or generally secure this stuff, and that it would be done, was so obvious as to be beneath mentioning. It seems not.
  - vonmoltke 7y ago
    How do you properly secure cargo in receptacles intended to secure humans?
    - luckylion 7y ago
      Is that really an unsolved problem in airline business? It can't be that hard to build small containers that fit on the seat and can be fastened with the seat belt system. Obviously, you won't want to do this for general cargo transport, but for "hey, we have a grounded plane, but transporting air mail gives great rates right now" situations?
      - frandroid 7y ago
        So it's not a solved problem on massive scale because there aren't frequent and long worldwide air passenger traffic shutdowns.
    - namibj 7y ago
      German post uses it for next-day letter delivery. They just put the boxes in bags and use the seatbelts to stap the bags to the seats.
- mullen 7y ago
  You have to secure the loads or they can shift, causing the airplane to crash. I agree that you take out the seats in the aircraft but I don't know if the cargo "hooks" are certified or even there. Cargo can not be loaded into aircraft if it can not be secured into place.
  - coredog64 7y ago
    Seats are installed via a track system present on the floor. Seats are part of what’s called BFE, and a flexible track system means you’re not drilling holes in the floor. Limited loads could be secured in the passenger cabin using the same tracks. Whether or not that actually makes economic sense is a different discussion. You can see this in action here: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/8scjkk/ever_wonder_how_they_got_shorthaul_jets_like_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/8scjkk/ever_wonde...
    - frandroid 7y ago
      Looks like someone could start making cargo containers that secure into BFE, once the seats are removed...
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]

KarlKemp 7y ago

The doors are (one of) the problems.