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The sudden attacks on the libertarian Koch brothers from the Left is pretty silly and closed-minded.

by bonch 16y ago

jbooth 16y ago
They're not libertarian, they're movement conservatives. And anonymous isn't part of "the Left". In fact, almost any sentence involving a capitalized "the Left" is probably missing the mark.
- glenra 16y ago
  > They're not libertarian, they're movement conservatives. They've donated at least $20 million to the ACLU to fight the Patriot Act. They support the Cato institute. One of them ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. The Koch family isn't unified in its views; collectively the group does support some "movement conservative" causes. For that matter, they've supported a few democrats and democrat-favored causes. But "libertarian" actually fits pretty well if you need an overall label.
- TomOfTTB 16y ago
  As I pointed out in my reply the Koch brothers opposed most of what the Bush administration did and both sides play the "money for a movement" game (again going back to George Soros and friends).
- bonch 16y ago
  The Kochs have donated to several libertarian causes, many of which would be considered "liberal," such as in favor of abortion. Hell, David Koch was the 1980 vice-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. The people attacking the Koch brothers are from the Left--left-wing blogs, left-wing radio hosts, and so on. You don't give any reasons why my statements missed the mark, so I can only assume you have none. You may not like the phrase simply because you don't like being labeled--I'm sure the Right feels the same way. Anonymous is just a label any anonymous people can use, and I didn't make a determination about who any anonymous people belonged to. I simply described the recent attacks on the Koch brothers, which is most definitely coming from the Left.
TomOfTTB 16y ago
Considering the Koch brothers right wing at all is an act of ignoring inconvinient facts. The Koch brothers have given more to the ACLU than they have to all political candidates combined (http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/25/the-koch-brothers-right-wing-c http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/25/the-koch-brothers-right-wi...). They oppose the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, torture of suspected terrorists, and the war on drugs. They're in favor of Abortion rights, stem cell research and Gay Marriage. As for the rich creating so-called grass roots organizations I don't see Anonymous going after George Soros. So they can't be all that opposed to the practice.

The sudden attacks on the libertarian Koch brothers from the Left is pretty silly and closed-minded.

by bonch 16y ago

The sudden attacks on the libertarian Koch brothers from the Left is pretty silly and closed-minded.

They're not libertarian, they're movement conservatives. And anonymous isn't part of "the Left". In fact, almost any sentence involving a capitalized "the Left" is probably missing the mark.

glenra 16y ago
> They're not libertarian, they're movement conservatives. They've donated at least $20 million to the ACLU to fight the Patriot Act. They support the Cato institute. One of them ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. The Koch family isn't unified in its views; collectively the group does support some "movement conservative" causes. For that matter, they've supported a few democrats and democrat-favored causes. But "libertarian" actually fits pretty well if you need an overall label.
TomOfTTB 16y ago
As I pointed out in my reply the Koch brothers opposed most of what the Bush administration did and both sides play the "money for a movement" game (again going back to George Soros and friends).
bonch 16y ago
The Kochs have donated to several libertarian causes, many of which would be considered "liberal," such as in favor of abortion. Hell, David Koch was the 1980 vice-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. The people attacking the Koch brothers are from the Left--left-wing blogs, left-wing radio hosts, and so on. You don't give any reasons why my statements missed the mark, so I can only assume you have none. You may not like the phrase simply because you don't like being labeled--I'm sure the Right feels the same way. Anonymous is just a label any anonymous people can use, and I didn't make a determination about who any anonymous people belonged to. I simply described the recent attacks on the Koch brothers, which is most definitely coming from the Left.

TomOfTTB 16y ago

Considering the Koch brothers right wing at all is an act of ignoring inconvinient facts. The Koch brothers have given more to the ACLU than they have to all political candidates combined (http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/25/the-koch-brothers-right-wing-c http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/25/the-koch-brothers-right-wi...). They oppose the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, torture of suspected terrorists, and the war on drugs. They're in favor of Abortion rights, stem cell research and Gay Marriage. As for the rich creating so-called grass roots organizations I don't see Anonymous going after George Soros. So they can't be all that opposed to the practice.