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Are you saying "fantastical" about a system that every other industrial nation has?

by airza 7y ago

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
Do you really need /S
digi59404 7y ago
We’re not every other industrialized nation. There are major differences between the US and say Norway. Cultural, Geographical, Political, Legal, etc. Universal Healthcare isn’t part of this conversation, or this issue. So I’m not even going to waste time on it.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  Key point of conflict in the Democratic primaries, ACA under serious threat in the courts, insurance companies paying hand over fist to tank single payer, millions of newly uninsured...but not part of the conversation? Your personal Overton window is smaller than the current political reality.
  - digi59404 7y ago
    I’m sorry, we’re any of those part of this article or my reply? No, they were not. Conversation does not mean “oh anything that involves health insurance anywhere in the world at any time”.
    - claudeganon 7y ago
      Nor does conversation mean your own suppositions, limits, or dictates. And of course, again, you began by referring to single payer in the US as “fantastical” at the top of the thread.
intopieces 7y ago
It's the implementation in the United States that's a fantasy, not the system it self.
BurningFrog 7y ago
There is a huge amount of diversity in non American industrial nation health care systems. Saying they're all the same is a bit like saying all foreigners speak the same language.
- jjoonathan 7y ago
  That's like tying your shoelaces together, complaining that you can't run, and pointing at the variety in other peoples' footwear when someone suggests that the tied shoelaces might be the problem.
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    I'm not at all defending the absurd US system. My point is more that there is no single other well thought out system that works in every other country. Those 30+ systems are very different from each other. Most of them are also in some kind of crisis, if you ask local public opinion. I'm arguing against the simplistic "let's just convert to the other system" idea. This isn't like going metric.

Are you saying "fantastical" about a system that every other industrial nation has?

by airza 7y ago

Are you saying "fantastical" about a system that every other industrial nation has?

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago

Do you really need /S

digi59404 7y ago

We’re not every other industrialized nation. There are major differences between the US and say Norway. Cultural, Geographical, Political, Legal, etc. Universal Healthcare isn’t part of this conversation, or this issue. So I’m not even going to waste time on it.

claudeganon 7y ago
Key point of conflict in the Democratic primaries, ACA under serious threat in the courts, insurance companies paying hand over fist to tank single payer, millions of newly uninsured...but not part of the conversation? Your personal Overton window is smaller than the current political reality.
- digi59404 7y ago
  I’m sorry, we’re any of those part of this article or my reply? No, they were not. Conversation does not mean “oh anything that involves health insurance anywhere in the world at any time”.
  - claudeganon 7y ago
    Nor does conversation mean your own suppositions, limits, or dictates. And of course, again, you began by referring to single payer in the US as “fantastical” at the top of the thread.

intopieces 7y ago

It's the implementation in the United States that's a fantasy, not the system it self.

BurningFrog 7y ago

There is a huge amount of diversity in non American industrial nation health care systems. Saying they're all the same is a bit like saying all foreigners speak the same language.

jjoonathan 7y ago
That's like tying your shoelaces together, complaining that you can't run, and pointing at the variety in other peoples' footwear when someone suggests that the tied shoelaces might be the problem.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  I'm not at all defending the absurd US system. My point is more that there is no single other well thought out system that works in every other country. Those 30+ systems are very different from each other. Most of them are also in some kind of crisis, if you ask local public opinion. I'm arguing against the simplistic "let's just convert to the other system" idea. This isn't like going metric.