"Try sitting down with someone who has never..." sorry, are you saying that this frustration is most prevalent in people who don't have a strong grasp on css?

"Try sitting down with someone who has never..." sorry, are you saying that this frustration is most prevalent in people who don't have a strong grasp on css? isn't that exactly my point? what precisely are you trying to argue? that floats and columns aren't perfect? allow me to reiterate a few of my concessions: "that's not to say css couldn't be improved", "it has it's quirks", and "admittedly a bit clumsy". with all due respect, perhaps you're either suffering the effects of mere exposure or self-victimization.