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I love CSS2 just the way it is. Developers seem to have a knack of forcing object-oriented thinking on CSS. They want to dictate what CSS should do different, w

I love CSS2 just the way it is. Developers seem to have a knack of forcing object-oriented thinking on CSS. They want to dictate what CSS should do different, when browser vendors still have trouble deciding what specification-valid CSS should do. Dynamic CSS to me is an abomination. CSS is not a programming language and I doubt treating it like one will enhance portability and suddenly inspire the OP to invent the "holy grail" of CSS layouts: A simple variable height multi-column design with a header and a footer. Come on, give the web and the front-end community a little respect. Don't use javascript for essential design/layout work, you don't need it, never needed it for years. You don't need hacks or CSS3 to build a fantastic website. You can float and use absolute positioning to your hearts content. You can keep your stylesheet organized and even support mobile and print media with it. @cletus Vertical-align:middle does work differently on block-display elements. Use it in conjunction with display: table-cell or look at http://phrogz.net/css/vertical-align/index.html http://phrogz.net/css/vertical-align/index.html I consider the OP post a little flame-batish and uninformed. I could say this about Lisp in an exaggerated manner: I hate it, because it does support labda, though it has its drawbacks and all those brackets look silly and confusing. I haven't really studied Lisp, but it could benefit from listening to my problems (which are real).

ryanf 16y ago
1) CSS is great the way it is 2) CSS makes "a simple variable height multi-column design with a header and footer" require so many contortions to achieve that it's considered a "holy grail" and not "a basic layout" ?????
- blauwbilgorgel 16y ago
  The OP is treating a basic layout like a "holy grail". Around 2004 Glish.com published a series of CSS-based layouts they called "the holy grail" and many more followed. It's a bit of an insider's joke I guess. A wrapper, a header, 3 columns, a footer in CSS was a "holy grail" back when table-based design ruled and everybody was figuring out new things to do with CSS (csszengarden.com). Nowadays, it's easy. It doesn't require any contortions at all. Wrap the floating columns and clear them... The OP is lamenting 5+ year old problems, where there are simple and proven solutions available to anyone willing to simply look, instead of rage.

ryanf 16y ago

1) CSS is great the way it is 2) CSS makes "a simple variable height multi-column design with a header and footer" require so many contortions to achieve that it's considered a "holy grail" and not "a basic layout" ?????

blauwbilgorgel 16y ago
The OP is treating a basic layout like a "holy grail". Around 2004 Glish.com published a series of CSS-based layouts they called "the holy grail" and many more followed. It's a bit of an insider's joke I guess. A wrapper, a header, 3 columns, a footer in CSS was a "holy grail" back when table-based design ruled and everybody was figuring out new things to do with CSS (csszengarden.com). Nowadays, it's easy. It doesn't require any contortions at all. Wrap the floating columns and clear them... The OP is lamenting 5+ year old problems, where there are simple and proven solutions available to anyone willing to simply look, instead of rage.