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Yes. Buffet has cash. Buffet has lots of Cash for the last 10 years or so, and has said that there has been a distinct lack of opportunity to deploy that cash i

Yes. Buffet has cash. Buffet has lots of Cash for the last 10 years or so, and has said that there has been a distinct lack of opportunity to deploy that cash in significant chunks to buy good companies at reasonable valuations. What I'd really like to know is the breakdown of their exposure to life insurance (re?) vs other insurance products (auto) that might not be as badly affected by the pandemic. He's said that they've been on a good insurance run for a while, but that it will end at some point with a really bad event. I don't know if this is that bad event.

markdown 7y ago
Insurance doesn't normally cover pandemics.
- PopeDotNinja 7y ago
  Parent comment is probably referring more to the next monster natural disaster(s) racking up many billions in damages: hurricane, flood, earthquake, etc. The insurance business feels good when it's bringing in payments and not paying out much.
- wiredfool 7y ago
  Insurance covers insurable events, some of them may be triggered by a pandemic, and some of those might be excluded. Check your fine print. * Life insurance is probably going to take a hit. My life insurance doesn't mention pandemic or acts of god. Suicide yes. Pandemic no. * Auto insurance is probably going to be marginally more profitable as miles driven drop. * Home/Property isn't likely to be heavily affected. * Health insurance is going to take a major hit. Probably in the bailout/re-capitalization range. * Reinsurance is going to be dependent on the specific underwriting that's been done. * Travel insurance. Ha. This is an extinction level event for them, so it's excluded.
  - t0mas88 7y ago
    Health insurance is probably going to be fine, because there will be lots of government money flowing into healthcare to drop prices (free tests etc). And total hospital bed capacity hasn't majorly increased (as in: nowhere near 2x), so the total cost they can incur per month isn't significantly higher. May even be slightly lower per patient because most complex treatments have been put on-hold. Life insurance may also be profiting depending on the structure of the portfolio. Differs a bit per market but some common products pay a monthly amount from let's say 65 until death. A virus might decrease life expectancy of that group from 81 to 77 or something, a 25% drop in required payouts. On the other hand they're often heavily invested in the financial markets which took a big hit. So could go both ways.
    - KarlKemp 7y ago
      You might have noticed ICUs are swamped and nurses are working around the clock? Hospitals do charge for that.
      - ethbro 7y ago
        Health insurance will be fine. There was a study (no citation handy) that looked at severe flu seasons, and their impact on health insurers. Barely a blip. Remember, ~80% of people have minimal symptoms after being infected with SARS-CoV-2. You can therefore absorb a lot of care for 20%, assuming most people are insured...
        empath75 7y ago
        This is going to be 20 times worse than the worst flu seasons.
        bretpiatt 7y ago
        I don't see how that can be the case. Here's the data from DC on the Flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html Over the past decade a low season of 140,000 hospitalizations to a high of 810,000. For this to be 20x worse you'd need each stay from the flu to be 1 day and each for COVID-19 to be 20, and then we'd need to reach somewhere between 700,000 - 4,000,000 positive COVID-19 cases in the U.S. under the current testing methods which leads to approximately a 20% hospitalization rate. On the death calculation COVID-19 would need to kill 240,000 to 1.2M for a 20x outcome. This is more possible if you go to the low end and we limited mitigation efforts (which we aren't). Flu, like automobile accidents, are a massive impact on society though because they are now a normal occurrence do not get the media coverage.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > My life insurance doesn't mention pandemic or acts of god. Suicide yes. Pandemic no. I'd be pretty surprised if this wasn't true. Who's taking out life insurance exclusively for predictable causes of death? You don't insure those, you avoid them. "Acts of god" are most of the reason you'd want life insurance in the first place.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      Exclusively? No. But I think suicide is covered on some policies after a waiting period.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Usually a year. Just checked my policy from pacific life, it has a 1 year cliff (hah) for suicide.
  - biolurker1 7y ago
    I don't understand. If they cover dying from flu why does it matter if it's pandemic or not?
  - bagacrap 7y ago
    I don't think life insurance will take a hit. The large majority of deaths we're seeing are among the very ill, ie folks who already had a high short term chance of dying. Within a couple years the insurers would have paid out all that money anyway. And correct me if I'm wrong but most of the time you'd only have life insurance if you have dependents to look after, ie when you're 40 and not when you're 80. The cost of life insurance for an 80yo with 3 illnesses must be prohibitive.
    - cik 7y ago
      Correct. In fact based on demographic data locally (Canada), deaths from motor incidents have come down enough to offset Corona deaths. Ergo, it's cheaper to have a pandemic.
  - sunstone 7y ago
    I'm thinking business continuity insurance would be a big hit if they have a lot of that on their reinsurance side.

markdown 7y ago

Insurance doesn't normally cover pandemics.

PopeDotNinja 7y ago
Parent comment is probably referring more to the next monster natural disaster(s) racking up many billions in damages: hurricane, flood, earthquake, etc. The insurance business feels good when it's bringing in payments and not paying out much.
wiredfool 7y ago
Insurance covers insurable events, some of them may be triggered by a pandemic, and some of those might be excluded. Check your fine print. * Life insurance is probably going to take a hit. My life insurance doesn't mention pandemic or acts of god. Suicide yes. Pandemic no. * Auto insurance is probably going to be marginally more profitable as miles driven drop. * Home/Property isn't likely to be heavily affected. * Health insurance is going to take a major hit. Probably in the bailout/re-capitalization range. * Reinsurance is going to be dependent on the specific underwriting that's been done. * Travel insurance. Ha. This is an extinction level event for them, so it's excluded.
- t0mas88 7y ago
  Health insurance is probably going to be fine, because there will be lots of government money flowing into healthcare to drop prices (free tests etc). And total hospital bed capacity hasn't majorly increased (as in: nowhere near 2x), so the total cost they can incur per month isn't significantly higher. May even be slightly lower per patient because most complex treatments have been put on-hold. Life insurance may also be profiting depending on the structure of the portfolio. Differs a bit per market but some common products pay a monthly amount from let's say 65 until death. A virus might decrease life expectancy of that group from 81 to 77 or something, a 25% drop in required payouts. On the other hand they're often heavily invested in the financial markets which took a big hit. So could go both ways.
  - KarlKemp 7y ago
    You might have noticed ICUs are swamped and nurses are working around the clock? Hospitals do charge for that.
    - ethbro 7y ago
      Health insurance will be fine. There was a study (no citation handy) that looked at severe flu seasons, and their impact on health insurers. Barely a blip. Remember, ~80% of people have minimal symptoms after being infected with SARS-CoV-2. You can therefore absorb a lot of care for 20%, assuming most people are insured...
      - empath75 7y ago
        This is going to be 20 times worse than the worst flu seasons.
        bretpiatt 7y ago
        I don't see how that can be the case. Here's the data from DC on the Flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html Over the past decade a low season of 140,000 hospitalizations to a high of 810,000. For this to be 20x worse you'd need each stay from the flu to be 1 day and each for COVID-19 to be 20, and then we'd need to reach somewhere between 700,000 - 4,000,000 positive COVID-19 cases in the U.S. under the current testing methods which leads to approximately a 20% hospitalization rate. On the death calculation COVID-19 would need to kill 240,000 to 1.2M for a 20x outcome. This is more possible if you go to the low end and we limited mitigation efforts (which we aren't). Flu, like automobile accidents, are a massive impact on society though because they are now a normal occurrence do not get the media coverage.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > My life insurance doesn't mention pandemic or acts of god. Suicide yes. Pandemic no. I'd be pretty surprised if this wasn't true. Who's taking out life insurance exclusively for predictable causes of death? You don't insure those, you avoid them. "Acts of god" are most of the reason you'd want life insurance in the first place.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Exclusively? No. But I think suicide is covered on some policies after a waiting period.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Usually a year. Just checked my policy from pacific life, it has a 1 year cliff (hah) for suicide.
- biolurker1 7y ago
  I don't understand. If they cover dying from flu why does it matter if it's pandemic or not?
- bagacrap 7y ago
  I don't think life insurance will take a hit. The large majority of deaths we're seeing are among the very ill, ie folks who already had a high short term chance of dying. Within a couple years the insurers would have paid out all that money anyway. And correct me if I'm wrong but most of the time you'd only have life insurance if you have dependents to look after, ie when you're 40 and not when you're 80. The cost of life insurance for an 80yo with 3 illnesses must be prohibitive.
  - cik 7y ago
    Correct. In fact based on demographic data locally (Canada), deaths from motor incidents have come down enough to offset Corona deaths. Ergo, it's cheaper to have a pandemic.
- sunstone 7y ago
  I'm thinking business continuity insurance would be a big hit if they have a lot of that on their reinsurance side.