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The choice is not between the United States and China. It's between Sweden (Ericsson), Finland (Nokia) and China (Huawei).

markdown 7y ago
It's already been established by the Assange fiasco that Sweden is a US lapdog.
LatteLazy 7y ago
Didn't Nokia only just announce they had a plan to test somewhere? That puts them pretty far behind Huawei's "we're ready when you are" offering... Also, cisco and the US gov are pushing their dumb 4G+ option. So you are deciding against the US whatever (true) 5G you buy. I don't know much about the Ericsson offering. It would be nice to have a non-super power option...
dirtyid 7y ago
See William Barr remark on buying controlling share in SE & Nokia if Huawei dominance becomes real, it'll be Crypto AG round 2. Going with SE & Nokia just means maintaining status quo, aka giving US preferential access since they control much of the higher OSI stack. It's a disingenuous argument. In fact the Australian PM has recently confirmed the "conspiracy theory" that the primary concern AU intelligence over Huawei wasn't interception of intelligence by China rather denial of access to networks with Huawei hardware which compromises intelligence sharing, i.e. it makes it harder for FVEY agencies to spy on each other's citizens.
- LatteLazy 7y ago
  I hadn't considered that huawei might make it harder to spy on each others citizens and report back. That's an interesting point.
  - dirtyid 7y ago
    The US has unparalleled intelligence gathering abilities, intelligence agencies with privileged access doesn't want to lose intelligence sharing with them. Similar to countries under US military security umbrella, FVEY and other intelligence alliances aren't equal contributors. Which leads to situations in many countries where intelligence interests conflicts with trade interests, and you get situations like UK firing their defense secretary who leaked secret meeting info in order sway decision making.

markdown 7y ago

It's already been established by the Assange fiasco that Sweden is a US lapdog.

LatteLazy 7y ago

Didn't Nokia only just announce they had a plan to test somewhere? That puts them pretty far behind Huawei's "we're ready when you are" offering... Also, cisco and the US gov are pushing their dumb 4G+ option. So you are deciding against the US whatever (true) 5G you buy. I don't know much about the Ericsson offering. It would be nice to have a non-super power option...

dirtyid 7y ago

See William Barr remark on buying controlling share in SE & Nokia if Huawei dominance becomes real, it'll be Crypto AG round 2. Going with SE & Nokia just means maintaining status quo, aka giving US preferential access since they control much of the higher OSI stack. It's a disingenuous argument. In fact the Australian PM has recently confirmed the "conspiracy theory" that the primary concern AU intelligence over Huawei wasn't interception of intelligence by China rather denial of access to networks with Huawei hardware which compromises intelligence sharing, i.e. it makes it harder for FVEY agencies to spy on each other's citizens.

LatteLazy 7y ago
I hadn't considered that huawei might make it harder to spy on each others citizens and report back. That's an interesting point.
- dirtyid 7y ago
  The US has unparalleled intelligence gathering abilities, intelligence agencies with privileged access doesn't want to lose intelligence sharing with them. Similar to countries under US military security umbrella, FVEY and other intelligence alliances aren't equal contributors. Which leads to situations in many countries where intelligence interests conflicts with trade interests, and you get situations like UK firing their defense secretary who leaked secret meeting info in order sway decision making.