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> The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Why is that? If anything I'm a bit at the opposite. Prism, cambrid

> The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Why is that? If anything I'm a bit at the opposite. Prism, cambridge analytica and the likes means that my western data is actively being used against me, by our own governments etc. It may be naive but it almost feels safer having my data in hands not cooperating with western intelligence...

NicoJuicy 7y ago
No one in the West will put you in concentration camps for having your opinion. They won't censor it also
- matsemann 7y ago
  No one in China will put me in a camp either, as I don't live or travel there. Which is my point. Not saying usa will put me in a camp, but currently they have more options to screw me over. (and us do put children in camps) It may be a bit hyperbole. But I just don't want to be so quick to accept the narrative that west=good east=bad
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    I'm not saying the east is bad. Don't change my words, jees! If you haven't noticed. The protests in Hong Kong are related to the extradiction law from China that was forced on to them. And yes, people already disappeared. And finally, if you want a statement, it's that democracy leads to a fairer society and communism leads to abuse of power.
    - KozmoNau7 7y ago
      I would like to correct your statement slightly: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism of any ideological color leads to abuse of power. All political systems are susceptible to being abused by those with a desire for power over others. That is why leaders must always be accountable to the people. Most politicians are deeply vested in trying to break that accountability. We shouldn't have to choose between one-party political rule or corporate drone bought-and-sold rule as the only options.
  - frequentnapper 7y ago
    Not yet. I fully believe that if China had as much power as USA, I (a canadian) would already have been kidnapped and put into a concentration camp for criticising China/Xi.
  - mantas 7y ago
    If China will get stronger, they'll force other governments to follow their rules. And it's likely that those Chinese-friendly governments will do Chinese-style stuff locally too.
- luckylion 7y ago
  So anything short of concentration camps is fine? This reads as if COINTELPRO hasn't happened.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    The power of humans is that they adapt. Mentioning something of 50 years ago won't help, since I live in the present. Not in the past
    - luckylion 7y ago
      Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present? What a weird way to look at the world.
      - FpUser 7y ago
        So you're moving back to England leaving the US soil to Indians?
        luckylion 7y ago
        I've never lived in the US, how would I move back to England, where I've also never lived?
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        He's talking about the past, don't take it too literally... He never said you lived in the US, he meant it as an example...
        FpUser 7y ago
        +1

NicoJuicy 7y ago

No one in the West will put you in concentration camps for having your opinion. They won't censor it also

matsemann 7y ago
No one in China will put me in a camp either, as I don't live or travel there. Which is my point. Not saying usa will put me in a camp, but currently they have more options to screw me over. (and us do put children in camps) It may be a bit hyperbole. But I just don't want to be so quick to accept the narrative that west=good east=bad
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  I'm not saying the east is bad. Don't change my words, jees! If you haven't noticed. The protests in Hong Kong are related to the extradiction law from China that was forced on to them. And yes, people already disappeared. And finally, if you want a statement, it's that democracy leads to a fairer society and communism leads to abuse of power.
  - KozmoNau7 7y ago
    I would like to correct your statement slightly: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism of any ideological color leads to abuse of power. All political systems are susceptible to being abused by those with a desire for power over others. That is why leaders must always be accountable to the people. Most politicians are deeply vested in trying to break that accountability. We shouldn't have to choose between one-party political rule or corporate drone bought-and-sold rule as the only options.
- frequentnapper 7y ago
  Not yet. I fully believe that if China had as much power as USA, I (a canadian) would already have been kidnapped and put into a concentration camp for criticising China/Xi.
- mantas 7y ago
  If China will get stronger, they'll force other governments to follow their rules. And it's likely that those Chinese-friendly governments will do Chinese-style stuff locally too.
luckylion 7y ago
So anything short of concentration camps is fine? This reads as if COINTELPRO hasn't happened.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  The power of humans is that they adapt. Mentioning something of 50 years ago won't help, since I live in the present. Not in the past
  - luckylion 7y ago
    Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present? What a weird way to look at the world.
    - FpUser 7y ago
      So you're moving back to England leaving the US soil to Indians?
      - luckylion 7y ago
        I've never lived in the US, how would I move back to England, where I've also never lived?
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        He's talking about the past, don't take it too literally... He never said you lived in the US, he meant it as an example...
        FpUser 7y ago
        +1