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As I read this, he's not making links to their web pages. He's deep linking to their content and displaying it within what appears to be a custom browser. While
by raganwald 16y ago
As I read this, he's not making links to their web pages. He's deep linking to their content and displaying it within what appears to be a custom browser. While there is plenty of debate about the propriety of deep linking and whether sites have the right to bar deep linking, displaying content within a custom browser is analogous to 'framing' content without permission, and framing content a no-no.
Creating deep links to their content would be launching Mobile Safari with their content in it.
Now, it could be that after he talks to them and they have a look at his app, they decide that yes, he's framing their content but he does so in a manner they feel is in their best interests and is compatible with their business model as they see it. In which case, they will give him written permission to do so.
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- kragen 16y agoI'm dubious about this idea that web site owners have the right to dictate which web browsers their users are permitted to use to access their site, but it's certainly more colorable than a complaint about launching Mobile Safari with their page. It could be passing off, if nothing else.
- raganwald 16y agoI know, it's hard to draw a nice objective line in the sand. A general-purpose browser with a new UI, for example, ought to be allowed without requiring permission from anyone. On the other hand, what if I write an iOS app just for getting answers from Wolfram|Alpha that displays the content using Webkit? I could certainly understand Wolfram arguing this kind of thing requires permission. I'm curious about DuckDuckGo's use of Wolfram|Alpha content. There's an example of framing content and deep linking together. I assume they have permission or an army of lawyers?
- epi0Bauqu 16y agoWe have permission. They seem very reasonable once you get in touch with them.
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- agiletortoise 16y agoI expect they are. In retrospect, I should have asked first. It something like going to a dinner party and having the host throw you out for placing your fork to the left of the plate, because they put them on the right at their house. Runs contrary to expectations. --agiletortoise
- kragen 16y agoThere's a censored comment in response here from the original author of the post. Turn on showdead.
- nkurz 16y agoResurrecting: ----------------- 2 points by agiletortoise 1 hour ago | link [dead] I expect they are. In retrospect, I should have asked first. It something like going to a dinner party and having the host throw you out for placing your fork to the left of the plate, because they put them on the right at their house. Runs contrary to expectations. --agiletortoise ----------------- This doesn't look offensive to me, so I presume it's a glitch. It would be ironic if it was killed because of the signature at the end in violation of local norms. :)
- bobds 16y agoI see many comments like that and I'm always left wondering. Does this happen when a user deletes their own comment? Or is it only for flagged comments?
- agiletortoise 16y ago
- jcarreiro 16y agoWhat is the difference between "linking" and "deep linking"? Whatever else W|A is, it is a web server and it responds to my requests by sending me web pages. Why does Wolfram get to decide for me which web browser I should use to view those pages?
- steveklabnik 16y agoPeople that don't understand what the web is, why it's important, or how it works get mad when you link to http://www.something.com/ANYTHINGATALL They think you should _only_ ever link to http://www.something.com/ If you couldn't tell by my first sentence, I find this idea repulsive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_linking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_linking
- ludwigvan 16y agoOn a slightly related note, what do you think about framing another site's contents? The original article is closer to framing in this respect, i.e. showing stuff in a UIWebView is more analogous to framing. I am currently developing a content aggregator site, but haven't decided how to link/display original articles. Should I be putting a frame at the top (or display orignal content in an iframe?) so that users don't leave my site, or should I directly link to the original article? I have strong suspicion that doing the former would be unfair, but some sites like stumbleupon do it to improve user experience.
- steveklabnik 16y agoI strongly, strongly dislike stuff like the old Digg bar, or the Reddit bar. I'm assuming that's what you're talking about? http://www.reddit.com/tb/fp3vz If I'm looking at a page, I want the URL to be the URL of the page I'm looking at. Feels quite scummy otherwise. That said, feel free to do it, nobody can (or should) stop you.
- Macha 16y agoOn the desktop, I couldn't agree more. On a mobile device, its a handy shortcut to the pages I will most likely visit next anyway.