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The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Not many good things have come out of China privacy related. It's ag

The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Not many good things have come out of China privacy related. It's against what a lot of readers here value in our "digital Life". Who here truelly believes the "0" Covid case numbers that China is publishing? :)

matsemann 7y ago
> The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Why is that? If anything I'm a bit at the opposite. Prism, cambridge analytica and the likes means that my western data is actively being used against me, by our own governments etc. It may be naive but it almost feels safer having my data in hands not cooperating with western intelligence...
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  No one in the West will put you in concentration camps for having your opinion. They won't censor it also
  - matsemann 7y ago
    No one in China will put me in a camp either, as I don't live or travel there. Which is my point. Not saying usa will put me in a camp, but currently they have more options to screw me over. (and us do put children in camps) It may be a bit hyperbole. But I just don't want to be so quick to accept the narrative that west=good east=bad
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      I'm not saying the east is bad. Don't change my words, jees! If you haven't noticed. The protests in Hong Kong are related to the extradiction law from China that was forced on to them. And yes, people already disappeared. And finally, if you want a statement, it's that democracy leads to a fairer society and communism leads to abuse of power.
      - KozmoNau7 7y ago
        I would like to correct your statement slightly: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism of any ideological color leads to abuse of power. All political systems are susceptible to being abused by those with a desire for power over others. That is why leaders must always be accountable to the people. Most politicians are deeply vested in trying to break that accountability. We shouldn't have to choose between one-party political rule or corporate drone bought-and-sold rule as the only options.
    - frequentnapper 7y ago
      Not yet. I fully believe that if China had as much power as USA, I (a canadian) would already have been kidnapped and put into a concentration camp for criticising China/Xi.
    - mantas 7y ago
      If China will get stronger, they'll force other governments to follow their rules. And it's likely that those Chinese-friendly governments will do Chinese-style stuff locally too.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    So anything short of concentration camps is fine? This reads as if COINTELPRO hasn't happened.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      The power of humans is that they adapt. Mentioning something of 50 years ago won't help, since I live in the present. Not in the past
      - luckylion 7y ago
        Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present? What a weird way to look at the world.
        FpUser 7y ago
        So you're moving back to England leaving the US soil to Indians?
        luckylion 7y ago
        I've never lived in the US, how would I move back to England, where I've also never lived?
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        He's talking about the past, don't take it too literally... He never said you lived in the US, he meant it as an example...
        FpUser 7y ago
        +1
saiya-jin 7y ago
Well, no. I agree that average HN reader comes from US, hence your statement is technically valid, but thats about it. I am so fucking fed up with US abusing its power, being a world bully #1 and overall a force of evil in quite a few aspects that actually matter. Yes, China has a bad track record. So does US these days. China didn't literally kill millions of civilians half around the world that didn't harm anybody, in their homes, for terrorist attack on US soil done by Saudis with good US political connections. China didn't help to create ISIS by creating massive power vacuum in middle east. In fact, China isn't fucking the whole world by continuously making whole middle east utterly unstable for another at least 100 years with their idiotic foreign policies. I could go on ranting like this for a long time. Maybe average US person doesn't care. Rest of the world, ie 95% of mankind, does. I say US needs some counter-balance, it grew too arrogant. You know, some proper competition to bring again the best of your once great country. For now, whether China or US has my data is same to me. No in fact I am more OK with China now, less real impact (which might change obviously)
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  1 - coming from Belgium, my statement is valid for Europe mostly too. Don't change my statement as you please :) 2 - That's nuts, looking at what China actually does with the data, it's way more dangerous for everyone involved. You are targeting US, but forgetting that China actually has concentration camps ( calling it education doesn't make it better) with millions of people currently in it, ... China is actively bullying Taiwan, Hong Kong and all their neighbouring countries. Be glad that you can share your opinion on a popular US platform without censorship. ( There is active moderation, but this is done in a very open way). In China, you would just suddenly disappear. Saying China has a bad track record is a serious lack of judgement.
  - Lio 7y ago
    I'm not American but given the choice I'd go with America over China any day. Here's why: You can't make jokes about Xi Jinping's hair on a Chinese website. Where as if you want to laugh at Trump's ridiculous bouffant on an American site have at it.
  - 7y ago

matsemann 7y ago

> The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China. Why is that? If anything I'm a bit at the opposite. Prism, cambridge analytica and the likes means that my western data is actively being used against me, by our own governments etc. It may be naive but it almost feels safer having my data in hands not cooperating with western intelligence...

NicoJuicy 7y ago
No one in the West will put you in concentration camps for having your opinion. They won't censor it also
- matsemann 7y ago
  No one in China will put me in a camp either, as I don't live or travel there. Which is my point. Not saying usa will put me in a camp, but currently they have more options to screw me over. (and us do put children in camps) It may be a bit hyperbole. But I just don't want to be so quick to accept the narrative that west=good east=bad
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    I'm not saying the east is bad. Don't change my words, jees! If you haven't noticed. The protests in Hong Kong are related to the extradiction law from China that was forced on to them. And yes, people already disappeared. And finally, if you want a statement, it's that democracy leads to a fairer society and communism leads to abuse of power.
    - KozmoNau7 7y ago
      I would like to correct your statement slightly: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism of any ideological color leads to abuse of power. All political systems are susceptible to being abused by those with a desire for power over others. That is why leaders must always be accountable to the people. Most politicians are deeply vested in trying to break that accountability. We shouldn't have to choose between one-party political rule or corporate drone bought-and-sold rule as the only options.
  - frequentnapper 7y ago
    Not yet. I fully believe that if China had as much power as USA, I (a canadian) would already have been kidnapped and put into a concentration camp for criticising China/Xi.
  - mantas 7y ago
    If China will get stronger, they'll force other governments to follow their rules. And it's likely that those Chinese-friendly governments will do Chinese-style stuff locally too.
- luckylion 7y ago
  So anything short of concentration camps is fine? This reads as if COINTELPRO hasn't happened.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    The power of humans is that they adapt. Mentioning something of 50 years ago won't help, since I live in the present. Not in the past
    - luckylion 7y ago
      Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present? What a weird way to look at the world.
      - FpUser 7y ago
        So you're moving back to England leaving the US soil to Indians?
        luckylion 7y ago
        I've never lived in the US, how would I move back to England, where I've also never lived?
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        He's talking about the past, don't take it too literally... He never said you lived in the US, he meant it as an example...
        FpUser 7y ago
        +1

saiya-jin 7y ago

Well, no. I agree that average HN reader comes from US, hence your statement is technically valid, but thats about it. I am so fucking fed up with US abusing its power, being a world bully #1 and overall a force of evil in quite a few aspects that actually matter. Yes, China has a bad track record. So does US these days. China didn't literally kill millions of civilians half around the world that didn't harm anybody, in their homes, for terrorist attack on US soil done by Saudis with good US political connections. China didn't help to create ISIS by creating massive power vacuum in middle east. In fact, China isn't fucking the whole world by continuously making whole middle east utterly unstable for another at least 100 years with their idiotic foreign policies. I could go on ranting like this for a long time. Maybe average US person doesn't care. Rest of the world, ie 95% of mankind, does. I say US needs some counter-balance, it grew too arrogant. You know, some proper competition to bring again the best of your once great country. For now, whether China or US has my data is same to me. No in fact I am more OK with China now, less real impact (which might change obviously)

NicoJuicy 7y ago
1 - coming from Belgium, my statement is valid for Europe mostly too. Don't change my statement as you please :) 2 - That's nuts, looking at what China actually does with the data, it's way more dangerous for everyone involved. You are targeting US, but forgetting that China actually has concentration camps ( calling it education doesn't make it better) with millions of people currently in it, ... China is actively bullying Taiwan, Hong Kong and all their neighbouring countries. Be glad that you can share your opinion on a popular US platform without censorship. ( There is active moderation, but this is done in a very open way). In China, you would just suddenly disappear. Saying China has a bad track record is a serious lack of judgement.
- Lio 7y ago
  I'm not American but given the choice I'd go with America over China any day. Here's why: You can't make jokes about Xi Jinping's hair on a Chinese website. Where as if you want to laugh at Trump's ridiculous bouffant on an American site have at it.
- 7y ago