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I think the main issue is that most europeans are just not so hot on a war with China as the americans are; even after a massive media campaign. I believe the

by chvid 7y ago

I think the main issue is that most europeans are just not so hot on a war with China as the americans are; even after a massive media campaign. I believe the next move by the US will be to force TSMC not to supply Huawei. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-huawei-tech-chips-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-prepares-crackdown-on-huaweis-global-chip-supply-sources-idUSKBN21D2E4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-huawei-tech-chips-exc... That will be a major blow to Huawei (and TSMC) and will force the Chinese to setup their own chip production as fast as possible. Will probably be quite a thing to follow.

thre234324 7y ago
The Americans might think of East Asians as their slaves, but experience has showed that even the vassals of the US are generally not as hard as the Americans/Europeans would like. This is but a reprisal of the old colonizers running around wrecking Asia to their will; I wonder if India will serve its old role of being the mercenary for destroying Asia again.
- eklavya 7y ago
  Hmm, what have we Indians ever destroyed?
  - mlvljr 7y ago
    Tourists' stomachs with (some of) your foods, allegedly!
  - manquer 7y ago
    Perhaps he is alluding to India’s involvement in the opium trade during the 19th century ?
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
  - blackrock 7y ago
    Do you really not know your own history? The Indian soldiers were the grunts in the British army. The British promised you riches, if you participated in the raping of China, during the Opium Wars, and you fell for it. The British played you well. And they also payed up. This is why there is a heavy presence of Indians in Hong Kong, and some of them seem to come straight out of the 1800s, as if time stood still for them. Like, they’re a direct lineage from that military past. The British even made you believe that it was your own fault for the Bengal famine of 1943. That’s how brilliant they were at manipulating you. Nowadays, they release movies of James Bond, and make you love them, and want to be like them, and forget all about their past transgressions. Their brainwashing propaganda is so subtle and insidious, that it’s brilliant. Look up the background to George Orwell’s 1984 novel. This was actually about his real life experiences in the British intelligence services in India, and about their incredible brainwashing ability. Where reality is indeed, stranger than fiction.
    - eklavya 7y ago
      This is a confused post, are you saying it was the British or are you saying it was Indians? Do you not understand the concept of slavery? Promised riches... what the actual fuck?
danmaz74 7y ago
When the president of the USA openly disparages Europe at every opportunity, it's pretty difficult to feel very sympathetic with the us administration on such matters.
- chvid 7y ago
  I don't think Americans realise how much diplomatic influence has been lost in Europe. To me the American tradition of a politicised diplomatic corps is to blame. The politics of Trump is just very far from mainstream European politics. I am personally convinced that had the campaign against Huawei been done by the Obama administration there would be no Huawei technology in the EU at this point.
  - frequentnapper 7y ago
    I am curious why it wasn't. Did Obama just drop the ball? I'm sure he knew how much of a serious threat Huawei was.
    - thawaway1837 7y ago
      Because Obama was tackling the Chinese in a much more effective and long term manner through the TPP. And because 5G decision making hadnt really begun until early last year.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    Of course Obama would have been successful. For one thing, when he required the Europeans to increase their NATO contributions he did it quietly, without publicly insulting them, and got them to commit to increase it over a period of a decade, which is reasonable. Unlike stand he never threatened America’s commitment to NATO itself. For another, his first major international economic action wasn’t dropping steel tariffs on his Europeans allies. And finally, he worked with his European allies to build an effective deal with Iran, that gave Europeans something they wanted and reduced the threat of additional war in the Middle East, whole building an effective counter balance to the Saudis, instead of flippantly and unilaterally tearing it apart causing European allies unnecessary political, military, and economic headaches.
blackrock 7y ago
This will be quite interesting. This is literally, the ultimate Trump card, that Trump himself will play. If TSMC does this, then they will not only lose Huawei, but they will lose the entire 1.4 billion population market of China. As well as Africa, and likely, Southeast Asia, and India, and Pakistan too. They will probably also lose Eastern Europe, and Russia too. They’ll also probably lose South America too, and the Middle East. This move might actually kill Android as we know it. Google will lose their preeminence and importance in mobile devices, and operating systems technology. They would also even lose their relevance in the search engine market. They will continue to do fine in the western markets. This might even make ARM an irrelevant sideshow, and push RISC-V to the forefront. The world could even bifurcate into ARM vs. RISC-V. Why? Because China will go full throttle and build out their own foundries. Huawei will now push their Harmony OS to the forefront. They’ll make it run on their own Kirin processors, that they built in China. They might even make it run on other processors, like the RISC-V. Then the other Chinese mobile phone makers will all switch too, knowing that Trump, and the USA now has a target painted on all of their backs. Alibaba is at the forefront with their RISC-V processor, that they can probably supply this to the other Chinese mobile phone companies. Now, Intel, AMD, and nVidia, which make billions of dollars from China, will all have a target on their backs, and will end up losing the entire Chinese market too. Good move Trump, you just put 2 bullets into each of your best hardware companies. Now, the world will have two standards: the western companies of Apple, Intel, nVidia, Google. Versus the upstart Chinese companies that will compete against them, lead by Huawei, Alibaba, and Tencent. They will first dominate the Chinese market, and then they will expand out to Africa, Southeast Asia, and all the other southern third world countries. These countries were never going to buy a $1200 flagship iPhone 12 anyways. This will indeed, be the most exciting technological challenge of this decade. And we are about to have front row seats, as we watch it play out.
- chvid 7y ago
  I agree. From a technical perspective this is very exciting; all of a sudden there is an open field on all these fundamental building blocks. But for an American strategic perspective I think it would have made more sense to keep the Chinese dependent on American operating systems and Taiwan produced chips.

by chvid 7y ago

thre234324 7y ago

The Americans might think of East Asians as their slaves, but experience has showed that even the vassals of the US are generally not as hard as the Americans/Europeans would like. This is but a reprisal of the old colonizers running around wrecking Asia to their will; I wonder if India will serve its old role of being the mercenary for destroying Asia again.

eklavya 7y ago
Hmm, what have we Indians ever destroyed?
- mlvljr 7y ago
  Tourists' stomachs with (some of) your foods, allegedly!
- manquer 7y ago
  Perhaps he is alluding to India’s involvement in the opium trade during the 19th century ?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- blackrock 7y ago
  Do you really not know your own history? The Indian soldiers were the grunts in the British army. The British promised you riches, if you participated in the raping of China, during the Opium Wars, and you fell for it. The British played you well. And they also payed up. This is why there is a heavy presence of Indians in Hong Kong, and some of them seem to come straight out of the 1800s, as if time stood still for them. Like, they’re a direct lineage from that military past. The British even made you believe that it was your own fault for the Bengal famine of 1943. That’s how brilliant they were at manipulating you. Nowadays, they release movies of James Bond, and make you love them, and want to be like them, and forget all about their past transgressions. Their brainwashing propaganda is so subtle and insidious, that it’s brilliant. Look up the background to George Orwell’s 1984 novel. This was actually about his real life experiences in the British intelligence services in India, and about their incredible brainwashing ability. Where reality is indeed, stranger than fiction.
  - eklavya 7y ago
    This is a confused post, are you saying it was the British or are you saying it was Indians? Do you not understand the concept of slavery? Promised riches... what the actual fuck?

danmaz74 7y ago

When the president of the USA openly disparages Europe at every opportunity, it's pretty difficult to feel very sympathetic with the us administration on such matters.

chvid 7y ago
I don't think Americans realise how much diplomatic influence has been lost in Europe. To me the American tradition of a politicised diplomatic corps is to blame. The politics of Trump is just very far from mainstream European politics. I am personally convinced that had the campaign against Huawei been done by the Obama administration there would be no Huawei technology in the EU at this point.
- frequentnapper 7y ago
  I am curious why it wasn't. Did Obama just drop the ball? I'm sure he knew how much of a serious threat Huawei was.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    Because Obama was tackling the Chinese in a much more effective and long term manner through the TPP. And because 5G decision making hadnt really begun until early last year.
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  Of course Obama would have been successful. For one thing, when he required the Europeans to increase their NATO contributions he did it quietly, without publicly insulting them, and got them to commit to increase it over a period of a decade, which is reasonable. Unlike stand he never threatened America’s commitment to NATO itself. For another, his first major international economic action wasn’t dropping steel tariffs on his Europeans allies. And finally, he worked with his European allies to build an effective deal with Iran, that gave Europeans something they wanted and reduced the threat of additional war in the Middle East, whole building an effective counter balance to the Saudis, instead of flippantly and unilaterally tearing it apart causing European allies unnecessary political, military, and economic headaches.

blackrock 7y ago

This will be quite interesting. This is literally, the ultimate Trump card, that Trump himself will play. If TSMC does this, then they will not only lose Huawei, but they will lose the entire 1.4 billion population market of China. As well as Africa, and likely, Southeast Asia, and India, and Pakistan too. They will probably also lose Eastern Europe, and Russia too. They’ll also probably lose South America too, and the Middle East. This move might actually kill Android as we know it. Google will lose their preeminence and importance in mobile devices, and operating systems technology. They would also even lose their relevance in the search engine market. They will continue to do fine in the western markets. This might even make ARM an irrelevant sideshow, and push RISC-V to the forefront. The world could even bifurcate into ARM vs. RISC-V. Why? Because China will go full throttle and build out their own foundries. Huawei will now push their Harmony OS to the forefront. They’ll make it run on their own Kirin processors, that they built in China. They might even make it run on other processors, like the RISC-V. Then the other Chinese mobile phone makers will all switch too, knowing that Trump, and the USA now has a target painted on all of their backs. Alibaba is at the forefront with their RISC-V processor, that they can probably supply this to the other Chinese mobile phone companies. Now, Intel, AMD, and nVidia, which make billions of dollars from China, will all have a target on their backs, and will end up losing the entire Chinese market too. Good move Trump, you just put 2 bullets into each of your best hardware companies. Now, the world will have two standards: the western companies of Apple, Intel, nVidia, Google. Versus the upstart Chinese companies that will compete against them, lead by Huawei, Alibaba, and Tencent. They will first dominate the Chinese market, and then they will expand out to Africa, Southeast Asia, and all the other southern third world countries. These countries were never going to buy a $1200 flagship iPhone 12 anyways. This will indeed, be the most exciting technological challenge of this decade. And we are about to have front row seats, as we watch it play out.

chvid 7y ago
I agree. From a technical perspective this is very exciting; all of a sudden there is an open field on all these fundamental building blocks. But for an American strategic perspective I think it would have made more sense to keep the Chinese dependent on American operating systems and Taiwan produced chips.