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This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

comboy 7y ago
The whole idea behind these trolls is that they repeat stuff until it becomes popular opinion. It's hard to stay objective, we tend to agree with majority (Asch cconformity experiments would be an example but this is way more subtle and harder to control). You are correct with the war. And what we are talking about is not even a conspiracy theory. You can watch a top US general talking about it [1]. I see almost no comments like yours, only how China is evil. There is propaganda on both sides. But what worries me that here in the west most people don't seem to be aware of it. I think people accepted that political news they are getting is biased based on who is delivering it, but somehow it is not generalized to politics outside the country. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=841s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=841s
rumanator 7y ago
I for one am surprised that anyone who is aware of some of the actions perpetrated by China's ruling regime with regards to their handling of the covid19 outbreak feels that they don't warant any criticism, and tried to pin any criticism on conspiracy theories involving troll farms and beating war drums.
- yurlungur 7y ago
  Of course one can and should assign blame where it is due to the CCP. But demanding vengeful reparations from the whole country is pretty much a precursor to war. I can totally imagine a few leaders riling up public emotions this way and also conveniently directing all responsibilities outwards. I really hope the world doesn't repeat the history of the last century like that.
  - rumanator 7y ago
    > Of course one can and should assign blame where it is due to the CCP. But demanding vengeful reparations from the whole country is pretty much a precursor to war. No, it's the basis of any civil suit. For some reason, you're trying desperately to spin holding an entity responsible for their actions as being akin to an act of war. You're talking about the regime that simultaneously refuses to include positive and asymptomatic cases in their contagion statistics, and at the same time publish press releases announcing that the only new cases of coronsvirus infections within China come from infected foreigners. States and governments are held accountable to their actions and inactions quite frequently, even I'm courts of law. Somehow you see China's regime immune and exempt from any responsibility of their actions. Why?
- ganzuul 7y ago
  That is all legitimate, but look at the comments in topics like this. They are filled with hatred, not reason.
enriquto 7y ago
> This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion. As much as the anti-China rhetoric is shameful and harmful, the answer to the WHO official to the sincere question about Taiwan also is.
Der_Einzige 7y ago
Lmfao no. MAD is still here and nuclear weapons didn't just evaporate. No one on either side of the Pacific wants a hot war. Saber rattling over Taiwan once every decade doesn't count because each side knows that the game of chicken won't go all the way. If there is war with China, life on Earth will end. There is no situation for a war between the USA and China that doesn't end with nuclear annihilation
- MR4D 7y ago
  Actually, there is one: civil war in China, with the eventual arrival of an outside entity to support one of the sides.
mantas 7y ago
Rather China's actions seem like precursor to war. Corona virus crisis may be the tipping point in Chinese influence growth as people become aware how West is becoming more and more relient on China.
- ganzuul 7y ago
  That is a reasonable perspective but public discussion on the subject is often derailed by hordes of people spewing blind anger.

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

comboy 7y ago

The whole idea behind these trolls is that they repeat stuff until it becomes popular opinion. It's hard to stay objective, we tend to agree with majority (Asch cconformity experiments would be an example but this is way more subtle and harder to control). You are correct with the war. And what we are talking about is not even a conspiracy theory. You can watch a top US general talking about it [1]. I see almost no comments like yours, only how China is evil. There is propaganda on both sides. But what worries me that here in the west most people don't seem to be aware of it. I think people accepted that political news they are getting is biased based on who is delivering it, but somehow it is not generalized to politics outside the country. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=841s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=841s

rumanator 7y ago

I for one am surprised that anyone who is aware of some of the actions perpetrated by China's ruling regime with regards to their handling of the covid19 outbreak feels that they don't warant any criticism, and tried to pin any criticism on conspiracy theories involving troll farms and beating war drums.

yurlungur 7y ago
Of course one can and should assign blame where it is due to the CCP. But demanding vengeful reparations from the whole country is pretty much a precursor to war. I can totally imagine a few leaders riling up public emotions this way and also conveniently directing all responsibilities outwards. I really hope the world doesn't repeat the history of the last century like that.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > Of course one can and should assign blame where it is due to the CCP. But demanding vengeful reparations from the whole country is pretty much a precursor to war. No, it's the basis of any civil suit. For some reason, you're trying desperately to spin holding an entity responsible for their actions as being akin to an act of war. You're talking about the regime that simultaneously refuses to include positive and asymptomatic cases in their contagion statistics, and at the same time publish press releases announcing that the only new cases of coronsvirus infections within China come from infected foreigners. States and governments are held accountable to their actions and inactions quite frequently, even I'm courts of law. Somehow you see China's regime immune and exempt from any responsibility of their actions. Why?
ganzuul 7y ago
That is all legitimate, but look at the comments in topics like this. They are filled with hatred, not reason.

enriquto 7y ago

> This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion. As much as the anti-China rhetoric is shameful and harmful, the answer to the WHO official to the sincere question about Taiwan also is.

Der_Einzige 7y ago

Lmfao no. MAD is still here and nuclear weapons didn't just evaporate. No one on either side of the Pacific wants a hot war. Saber rattling over Taiwan once every decade doesn't count because each side knows that the game of chicken won't go all the way. If there is war with China, life on Earth will end. There is no situation for a war between the USA and China that doesn't end with nuclear annihilation

MR4D 7y ago
Actually, there is one: civil war in China, with the eventual arrival of an outside entity to support one of the sides.

mantas 7y ago

Rather China's actions seem like precursor to war. Corona virus crisis may be the tipping point in Chinese influence growth as people become aware how West is becoming more and more relient on China.

ganzuul 7y ago
That is a reasonable perspective but public discussion on the subject is often derailed by hordes of people spewing blind anger.