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I have been watching the Cuomo NYS briefings for the past two weeks. This is what leadership looks like. He fucked up early with the "we won't shut down the eco

by jdkee 7y ago

I have been watching the Cuomo NYS briefings for the past two weeks. This is what leadership looks like. He fucked up early with the "we won't shut down the economy" bit but has come around. Similarly, Gov. Pritzker of Illinois has been on top of this, apart from his fuckup of allowing the primary elections to to go through putting people on top of each other to maintain a regular election cycle. Mike DeWine has been the gold standard in kicking the primary election down the road. Elections should be held by mail-in ballot, I have been doing it in Illinois since 2004. Why Illinois decided to have a bunch of people crammed together in the Lincoln Park library last week boggles the mind and will be a stain on Pritzker's and Illinois otherwise reasoned response to this health emergency.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
Cuomo is what talking a big talk looks like. Leadership is SK, Taiwan, S'pore, and yes, even China. Solving problems is leadership. Posturing is something else, and it's what Cuomo's been doing.
- jdkee 7y ago
  He is responding to the crisis in his state. He is: 1. Publicly acknowledging the factual state on the ground. 2. Explaining what his administration is doing to combat the crisis, including his asks from the Feds for his foreseeable needs. 3. Calling up retired healthcare workers to address a soon to be overtaxed medical situation. 4. Attempting to prevent panic as NY state and NYC are the U.S. epicenter of this emergency by calling in federal resources to address the apex of cases in his jurisdiction. What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue?
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    > What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue? The ones I cited in the comment you replied to. China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea. Like, I honestly can't think how Cuomo could do worse without actively trying to. He is observing the situation and doing all the obvious things any right-thinking person would, if they were totally unable to make any predictions, had no expert advisers, and were limited to reacting to only a point in time snapshot of reality. The only reason he doesn't look like the biggest disaster of governance in the history of the state is because both the guy above (Trump) and the guy below (De Blasio) are even more foolish. Anchoring effect at work, nothing more. Results matter. And the results are that this state already has nearly twice as many cases per capita as Italy, which is a widely acknowledged catastrophe. And we're way behind them on implementing lockdown.
    - jdkee 7y ago
      Apart from those examples cited: 1. Are relatively homogeneous populations, unlike say NYC. 2. Have a long term behavioural and a culture of wearing masks in public due to pollution and recent experiences of epidemics such as SARS or MERS. 3. Are relatively authoritarian societies unlike the free-wheeling freedoms that U.S. citizens experience. Why would you use them as counterexamples to what the U.S. population should adapt to in short course? It is almost as if you picked the populations that are accustomed to social controls and regular mask wearing, which is very effective, and use that as a dig against a novel approach being applied to the U.S. or indeed the rest of the world outside Asia as being the norm.
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
        NY will probably end up being the most severely affected by this virus out of any state/province-level governing region in the entire world. We will cross 3k cases per million residents tonight and growth is still climbing. You are simply not going to be able to convince me that the guy in charge is doing a good job, no matter what kind of reasons you bring up r.e. homogeneous populations or whatever. That's post-hoc rationalization as far as I'm concerned. Results matter and that's all there is to it.
      - jhanschoo 7y ago
        > relatively authoritarian societies Relatively authoritarian societies like Taiwan that switched parties in a recent election, or SK that impeached their head of state not too long ago.
    - monkeywork 7y ago
      the only metric that seems to differentiate any country that has "done well" vs "done poorly" is how quickly they acted. The actions overall follow the same trend - it's how quickly you took those actions and how sever you made them that matters.
tanilama 7y ago
Cuomo projects confidence. But he doesn't have enough means to solve it. He can ask, but it is not within range of his power to make that significant. What US currently lacks in its response to COVID-19 is coordination, every states are sending different even contradictory message. That leadership has to be from top down.

by jdkee 7y ago

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago

Cuomo is what talking a big talk looks like. Leadership is SK, Taiwan, S'pore, and yes, even China. Solving problems is leadership. Posturing is something else, and it's what Cuomo's been doing.

jdkee 7y ago
He is responding to the crisis in his state. He is: 1. Publicly acknowledging the factual state on the ground. 2. Explaining what his administration is doing to combat the crisis, including his asks from the Feds for his foreseeable needs. 3. Calling up retired healthcare workers to address a soon to be overtaxed medical situation. 4. Attempting to prevent panic as NY state and NYC are the U.S. epicenter of this emergency by calling in federal resources to address the apex of cases in his jurisdiction. What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  > What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue? The ones I cited in the comment you replied to. China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea. Like, I honestly can't think how Cuomo could do worse without actively trying to. He is observing the situation and doing all the obvious things any right-thinking person would, if they were totally unable to make any predictions, had no expert advisers, and were limited to reacting to only a point in time snapshot of reality. The only reason he doesn't look like the biggest disaster of governance in the history of the state is because both the guy above (Trump) and the guy below (De Blasio) are even more foolish. Anchoring effect at work, nothing more. Results matter. And the results are that this state already has nearly twice as many cases per capita as Italy, which is a widely acknowledged catastrophe. And we're way behind them on implementing lockdown.
  - jdkee 7y ago
    Apart from those examples cited: 1. Are relatively homogeneous populations, unlike say NYC. 2. Have a long term behavioural and a culture of wearing masks in public due to pollution and recent experiences of epidemics such as SARS or MERS. 3. Are relatively authoritarian societies unlike the free-wheeling freedoms that U.S. citizens experience. Why would you use them as counterexamples to what the U.S. population should adapt to in short course? It is almost as if you picked the populations that are accustomed to social controls and regular mask wearing, which is very effective, and use that as a dig against a novel approach being applied to the U.S. or indeed the rest of the world outside Asia as being the norm.
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
      NY will probably end up being the most severely affected by this virus out of any state/province-level governing region in the entire world. We will cross 3k cases per million residents tonight and growth is still climbing. You are simply not going to be able to convince me that the guy in charge is doing a good job, no matter what kind of reasons you bring up r.e. homogeneous populations or whatever. That's post-hoc rationalization as far as I'm concerned. Results matter and that's all there is to it.
    - jhanschoo 7y ago
      > relatively authoritarian societies Relatively authoritarian societies like Taiwan that switched parties in a recent election, or SK that impeached their head of state not too long ago.
  - monkeywork 7y ago
    the only metric that seems to differentiate any country that has "done well" vs "done poorly" is how quickly they acted. The actions overall follow the same trend - it's how quickly you took those actions and how sever you made them that matters.

tanilama 7y ago

Cuomo projects confidence. But he doesn't have enough means to solve it. He can ask, but it is not within range of his power to make that significant. What US currently lacks in its response to COVID-19 is coordination, every states are sending different even contradictory message. That leadership has to be from top down.