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Some Todd & Claire site that appeared out of nowhere tried to frame Assange for being a pedophile while he was locked in an embassy, while you're at it. You ca

by Natsu 7y ago

Some Todd & Claire site that appeared out of nowhere tried to frame Assange for being a pedophile while he was locked in an embassy, while you're at it. You call that "Pizzagate," but none of the stuff claims anything about Clinton at all as far as I can see, it's just Alefantis' weird Instagram (and former business logos) or Podesta's odd taste in artwork and word choices, which are well-documented and archived, but certainly not proof that any of them engaged in anything like child exploitation. Additionally, many of the emails can be verified via DKIM and this has been done in an HN story from the time.

meowface 7y ago
>Some Todd & Claire site that appeared out of nowhere tried to frame Assange for being a pedophile while he was locked in an embassy, while you're at it. I mean, sure, plenty of people have lied about Assange and WikiLeaks, obviously. >You call that "Pizzagate," but none of the stuff claims anything about Clinton at all as far as I can see, it's just Alefantis' weird Instagram (and former business logos) or Podesta's odd taste in artwork and word choices, which are well-documented and archived, but certainly not proof that any of them engaged in anything like child exploitation. WikiLeaks' tweet says: >>CBS Reality Check covers Pizzagate. https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1330641910334089/ https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1330641... >>https://file.wikileaks.org/file/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf https://file.wikileaks.org/file/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf I'm just referring to what they tweeted. Clearly this was to spread suspicion that the emails, which they leaked, might indicate Clinton is involved with pedophiles (i.e. spreading fear that Pizzagate may be real). I believe they also had one other tweet hinting at the same thing, which I remember seeing at the time, but I can't find it right now. They didn't come right out and say it explicitly, but it's an attempt at propaganda. And if you're trying to convince me that Pizzagate is fake: yes, I absolutely know it's a bullshit unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. It seems like your post should be directed at Assange, instead? I'm having trouble understanding what point you're trying to make. >Additionally, many of the emails can be verified via DKIM and this has been done in an HN story from the time. Who's disputing that? I know the emails are almost certainly legit.
- Natsu 7y ago
  My point is just that the meaning of "Pizzagate" has changed over time and Clinton was pretty much a non-factor the whole time, it was focused on Podesta and Alefantis. > Who's disputing that? I know the emails are almost certainly legit. Donna Brazile did so on CNN at one point, but I wasn't trying to imply that you believed that.
  - meowface 7y ago
    Podesta was her campaign manager, though, and Alefantis was the owner of a pizza shop used by Clinton and Podesta for fundraisers and such. The implication was that Clinton was involved in some way. Conspiracy theorists have been trying to accuse her of pedophilia for years.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606
      - meowface 7y ago
        Got it, clearly theories of conspiracies should be assumed as true because the CIA has called things conspiracy theories before.
        jakeogh 7y ago
        Or, you could avoid a meaningless term and be more specific. Conspiracy is a common class of crime, significant sections of US law are written to deal with them. Your use if it is classic; applying to a broad class, specifically anyone who you percieve as not believing the same stuff you do. It's possible you know more or less about any specific subject. It's an excellent way to shut down a conversation on the other hand, nobody wants to be labeled a "conspiracy theorist". Here's an example, I mentioned confirmation bias hacks below, if you made a list of every use of "planar earth" on this forum, what would you find? It's not people trying to convince others that earth is a 2D surface is it?

by Natsu 7y ago

meowface 7y ago

>Some Todd & Claire site that appeared out of nowhere tried to frame Assange for being a pedophile while he was locked in an embassy, while you're at it. I mean, sure, plenty of people have lied about Assange and WikiLeaks, obviously. >You call that "Pizzagate," but none of the stuff claims anything about Clinton at all as far as I can see, it's just Alefantis' weird Instagram (and former business logos) or Podesta's odd taste in artwork and word choices, which are well-documented and archived, but certainly not proof that any of them engaged in anything like child exploitation. WikiLeaks' tweet says: >>CBS Reality Check covers Pizzagate. https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1330641910334089/ https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1330641... >>https://file.wikileaks.org/file/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf https://file.wikileaks.org/file/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf I'm just referring to what they tweeted. Clearly this was to spread suspicion that the emails, which they leaked, might indicate Clinton is involved with pedophiles (i.e. spreading fear that Pizzagate may be real). I believe they also had one other tweet hinting at the same thing, which I remember seeing at the time, but I can't find it right now. They didn't come right out and say it explicitly, but it's an attempt at propaganda. And if you're trying to convince me that Pizzagate is fake: yes, I absolutely know it's a bullshit unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. It seems like your post should be directed at Assange, instead? I'm having trouble understanding what point you're trying to make. >Additionally, many of the emails can be verified via DKIM and this has been done in an HN story from the time. Who's disputing that? I know the emails are almost certainly legit.

Natsu 7y ago
My point is just that the meaning of "Pizzagate" has changed over time and Clinton was pretty much a non-factor the whole time, it was focused on Podesta and Alefantis. > Who's disputing that? I know the emails are almost certainly legit. Donna Brazile did so on CNN at one point, but I wasn't trying to imply that you believed that.
- meowface 7y ago
  Podesta was her campaign manager, though, and Alefantis was the owner of a pizza shop used by Clinton and Podesta for fundraisers and such. The implication was that Clinton was involved in some way. Conspiracy theorists have been trying to accuse her of pedophilia for years.
  - jakeogh 7y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606
    - meowface 7y ago
      Got it, clearly theories of conspiracies should be assumed as true because the CIA has called things conspiracy theories before.
      - jakeogh 7y ago
        Or, you could avoid a meaningless term and be more specific. Conspiracy is a common class of crime, significant sections of US law are written to deal with them. Your use if it is classic; applying to a broad class, specifically anyone who you percieve as not believing the same stuff you do. It's possible you know more or less about any specific subject. It's an excellent way to shut down a conversation on the other hand, nobody wants to be labeled a "conspiracy theorist". Here's an example, I mentioned confirmation bias hacks below, if you made a list of every use of "planar earth" on this forum, what would you find? It's not people trying to convince others that earth is a 2D surface is it?