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>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese n

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S. (students, tourists, visiting scholars/scientists and more).

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gruez 7y ago
>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?
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- donw 7y ago
  Because some of us foreigners live here.
- servercobra 7y ago
  There's still some groups of people you'd want to let in. For example, someone married to or in a long term relationship with a national who is outside the country right now. Or even foreigners that live there but are nationals yet.
  - briandear 7y ago
    Does the virus care about those groups? Either close the border or don’t. A family member can carry the virus end just as easily as a tourist. If the reasons for closing it are to prevent the spread, then having a bunch or exceptions defeats the purpose.
    - cm2187 7y ago
      If it is small numbers, you can test for symptoms on arrival. The problem is leaving people in impossible situations abroad, overstaying their visa, not having the means to pay for accommodations (particularly if hotels close), etc.
      - petre 7y ago
        You've got asymptomatic super spreades just like in the case of SARS. The impossible situations abroad could be solved through the embassy. My country is flying in citizens from abroad in military planes.
    - Retric 7y ago
      The virus is still quite rare in every country. Unchecked it has a growth factor of around 3 to 4 new infections per case but simply reducing the risk of infection by 80% is enough to eventually reduce the number of active infections as seen in South Korea and China. The question is mostly what vectors of infections to allow vs eliminate. And in that context banning travel from high risk areas is useful but not that important after community spreading has started. However, this changes based on how widespread the disease is inside each country. Thus, the delayed ban. PS: Japan is a very interesting case, with the number of new infections being fairly steady over the last 2 weeks.
      - robocat 7y ago
        But extroverted people that travel have a 3.14159265 times higher chance of catching the disease than those who don’t travel.
- smnrchrds 7y ago
  Can they ban Japanese citizens from entering the country? It would be against Charter rights (what people in the US may call constitutional rights) here in Canada. I would be surprised if it would be different in Japan. Regardless, if they ban foreigners, it may become a moot point. With not enough people travelling to and from, flights get cancelled and people get stranded, unless the government provides evacuation flights. EDIT: This was the gist of Canada's plea that everyone gets back home while they can. > Airlines have cancelled flights. New restrictions may be imposed with little warning. Your travel plans may be severely disrupted and you may be forced to remain outside of Canada longer than expected...We recommend that Canadian travellers return to Canada via commercial means while they remain available. https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1238876190460477442 https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1238876190460477442 https://globalnews.ca/news/6677983/coronavirus-canada-travel-abroad/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6677983/coronavirus-canada-travel...
  - woadwarrior01 7y ago
    India did this two weeks ago, with a 48 hour notice and I was quite furious about it. Closing borders to foreign nationals is one thing, but closing borders to one’s own citizens is violating a fundamental right. I had my brother and mother visiting me and had to rush them to the airport and get them on the next flight back to India to ensure they get back home before the deadline. Furthermore, the announcement was made by the minister of health on Twitter and hours later an undated announcement appeared on their website. As unprofessional as it gets. Decisions like these are usually made by the Ministry of external affairs, whose twitter account I was following in anticipation of something like this.
- Barrin92 7y ago
  because some people hold dual citizenship or are married / have family in both countries in which case you'd probably not want to separate them.
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- cm2187 7y ago
  Well at the very least you would leave 24h to account for people that are in a flight on their way to Japan or in a connection.
- hkmurakami 7y ago
  There are always corner cases like (1) a Japan-based non-PR/citizen professional who's on a work trip to the US who needs a couple days to get back to Japan, or (2) someone's partner who again is based in Japan but is currently in the US traveling temporarily for work/family/leisure. Typically spouses of citizens/PRs can tag along through travel restrictions but a romantic/domestic partner will not have this avenue available (also spouses traveling alone without their PR/Citizen partner)
asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
I missed that bit in the announcement. Thanks for calling it out!
ojbyrne 7y ago
The article is somewhat unclear but it says the new measures apply to foreign nationals. The part about Japanese nationals seems to refer to an earlier restriction (14 day self-quarantine).
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nl 7y ago
This restriction ("The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States.") isn't the restriction on entry that the headline is about. This is an existing restriction which requires self-isolation: The government had already started moving from March 26 to restrict entry for those entering from anywhere in the United States. The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. All new arrivals are required to self-quarantine themselves for two weeks at their homes or hotels and other accommodation under provisions laid down by the head of the local quarantine office. The new restriction applies to "all foreign nationals travelling on U.S. passports or who have been in the United States for the past two weeks."

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gruez 7y ago

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

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donw 7y ago
Because some of us foreigners live here.
servercobra 7y ago
There's still some groups of people you'd want to let in. For example, someone married to or in a long term relationship with a national who is outside the country right now. Or even foreigners that live there but are nationals yet.
- briandear 7y ago
  Does the virus care about those groups? Either close the border or don’t. A family member can carry the virus end just as easily as a tourist. If the reasons for closing it are to prevent the spread, then having a bunch or exceptions defeats the purpose.
  - cm2187 7y ago
    If it is small numbers, you can test for symptoms on arrival. The problem is leaving people in impossible situations abroad, overstaying their visa, not having the means to pay for accommodations (particularly if hotels close), etc.
    - petre 7y ago
      You've got asymptomatic super spreades just like in the case of SARS. The impossible situations abroad could be solved through the embassy. My country is flying in citizens from abroad in military planes.
  - Retric 7y ago
    The virus is still quite rare in every country. Unchecked it has a growth factor of around 3 to 4 new infections per case but simply reducing the risk of infection by 80% is enough to eventually reduce the number of active infections as seen in South Korea and China. The question is mostly what vectors of infections to allow vs eliminate. And in that context banning travel from high risk areas is useful but not that important after community spreading has started. However, this changes based on how widespread the disease is inside each country. Thus, the delayed ban. PS: Japan is a very interesting case, with the number of new infections being fairly steady over the last 2 weeks.
    - robocat 7y ago
      But extroverted people that travel have a 3.14159265 times higher chance of catching the disease than those who don’t travel.
smnrchrds 7y ago
Can they ban Japanese citizens from entering the country? It would be against Charter rights (what people in the US may call constitutional rights) here in Canada. I would be surprised if it would be different in Japan. Regardless, if they ban foreigners, it may become a moot point. With not enough people travelling to and from, flights get cancelled and people get stranded, unless the government provides evacuation flights. EDIT: This was the gist of Canada's plea that everyone gets back home while they can. > Airlines have cancelled flights. New restrictions may be imposed with little warning. Your travel plans may be severely disrupted and you may be forced to remain outside of Canada longer than expected...We recommend that Canadian travellers return to Canada via commercial means while they remain available. https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1238876190460477442 https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1238876190460477442 https://globalnews.ca/news/6677983/coronavirus-canada-travel-abroad/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6677983/coronavirus-canada-travel...
- woadwarrior01 7y ago
  India did this two weeks ago, with a 48 hour notice and I was quite furious about it. Closing borders to foreign nationals is one thing, but closing borders to one’s own citizens is violating a fundamental right. I had my brother and mother visiting me and had to rush them to the airport and get them on the next flight back to India to ensure they get back home before the deadline. Furthermore, the announcement was made by the minister of health on Twitter and hours later an undated announcement appeared on their website. As unprofessional as it gets. Decisions like these are usually made by the Ministry of external affairs, whose twitter account I was following in anticipation of something like this.
Barrin92 7y ago
because some people hold dual citizenship or are married / have family in both countries in which case you'd probably not want to separate them.
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cm2187 7y ago
Well at the very least you would leave 24h to account for people that are in a flight on their way to Japan or in a connection.
hkmurakami 7y ago
There are always corner cases like (1) a Japan-based non-PR/citizen professional who's on a work trip to the US who needs a couple days to get back to Japan, or (2) someone's partner who again is based in Japan but is currently in the US traveling temporarily for work/family/leisure. Typically spouses of citizens/PRs can tag along through travel restrictions but a romantic/domestic partner will not have this avenue available (also spouses traveling alone without their PR/Citizen partner)

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago

I missed that bit in the announcement. Thanks for calling it out!

ojbyrne 7y ago

The article is somewhat unclear but it says the new measures apply to foreign nationals. The part about Japanese nationals seems to refer to an earlier restriction (14 day self-quarantine).

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nl 7y ago

This restriction ("The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States.") isn't the restriction on entry that the headline is about. This is an existing restriction which requires self-isolation: The government had already started moving from March 26 to restrict entry for those entering from anywhere in the United States. The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. All new arrivals are required to self-quarantine themselves for two weeks at their homes or hotels and other accommodation under provisions laid down by the head of the local quarantine office. The new restriction applies to "all foreign nationals travelling on U.S. passports or who have been in the United States for the past two weeks."