I've always seen the "cobbling systems together" stuff as actually software engineering, as that's what you need to have a final production system running. What

I've always seen the "cobbling systems together" stuff as actually software engineering, as that's what you need to have a final production system running. What you describe as "programming" I would say is computer science. And for me, the work that solves real-world problems tends to be software engineering (using my own definition), rather than computer science (again, using my own definition), which seems to be more about optimizations.