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Sure if it means people are being paid a fair wage. I should pay more for things where I'm exploiting labor tbh.

by robk 7y ago

phenkdo 7y ago
Somehow I think your keyboard bravado will vanish once you start paying 60-70% of salary for just basic necessities. And even if I were to concede that you - presumably high paid tech workers - were willing & able, imagine the fate of the pensioners, bus drivers, retail workers...they barely make ends meet as it is.
- korijn 7y ago
  So we should continue exploiting, is what you are saying?
  - phenkdo 7y ago
    I am not thrilled about the situation, but the alternative, unfortunately, is far worse. The people in Ukraine/Moldova etc. will go deeper into poverty, and people in the west will have to contend with sky-high inflation.
    - vbezhenar 7y ago
      One reason for poverty is because active people are working in foreign countries.
- nicoburns 7y ago
  Isn't the point of this change to give farm workers (who like bus drivers, retail workers, etc barely make ends meet) the ability to cover their basic needs more easily. If we could implement this across all low-paid jobs, I would more than happily pay a greater proportion of my own salary on these goods.
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- 6510 7y ago
  Things already are expensive and with all the automation the salaries make up a crazy tiny amount of it.
  - phenkdo 7y ago
    have you read the article?
    - 6510 7y ago
      Asparagus are pretty labor intense. Apparently last year NL markets forced the price down to half of what it costs to grow them while prices in the store stay the same.[1] Say a kilo of asparagus costs 6 euro in the store and has about 16 spears.[2] Say field work in pays 12 euro, 32 spears or 2 kg. One employee harvests 30 kg per hour on average.[3] 2 kg worth of pay for the worker and 15 kg vanished into the market? 40 cents of the 6 euro goes to the field worker which is a lot! I would love to pay 6.40 for my asparagus if they raise the pay to 24 euro. I would also quit my job and go work there. (In Spain the asparagus might be cheaper, have more spears in a kg, people earn 3 euro per hour and they might be less productive. It's hard to calculate from here) [1] - https://www.1limburg.nl/prijs-asperges-dramatisch-laag-helft-van-de-kostprijs https://www.1limburg.nl/prijs-asperges-dramatisch-laag-helft... [2] - https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi99045/ah-asperges-wit https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi99045/ah-asperges-wit [3] - http://www.engelsmachines.nl/EN http://www.engelsmachines.nl/EN
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  The free variable that consumes all available spending money tends to be rent. If food prices go up, I'd expect real estate prices to stop growing so fast. It would be a welcome change.

Sure if it means people are being paid a fair wage. I should pay more for things where I'm exploiting labor tbh.

by robk 7y ago

Sure if it means people are being paid a fair wage. I should pay more for things where I'm exploiting labor tbh.

Somehow I think your keyboard bravado will vanish once you start paying 60-70% of salary for just basic necessities. And even if I were to concede that you - presumably high paid tech workers - were willing & able, imagine the fate of the pensioners, bus drivers, retail workers...they barely make ends meet as it is.

korijn 7y ago
So we should continue exploiting, is what you are saying?
- phenkdo 7y ago
  I am not thrilled about the situation, but the alternative, unfortunately, is far worse. The people in Ukraine/Moldova etc. will go deeper into poverty, and people in the west will have to contend with sky-high inflation.
  - vbezhenar 7y ago
    One reason for poverty is because active people are working in foreign countries.
nicoburns 7y ago
Isn't the point of this change to give farm workers (who like bus drivers, retail workers, etc barely make ends meet) the ability to cover their basic needs more easily. If we could implement this across all low-paid jobs, I would more than happily pay a greater proportion of my own salary on these goods.
- deleted 7y ago
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6510 7y ago
Things already are expensive and with all the automation the salaries make up a crazy tiny amount of it.
- phenkdo 7y ago
  have you read the article?
  - 6510 7y ago
    Asparagus are pretty labor intense. Apparently last year NL markets forced the price down to half of what it costs to grow them while prices in the store stay the same.[1] Say a kilo of asparagus costs 6 euro in the store and has about 16 spears.[2] Say field work in pays 12 euro, 32 spears or 2 kg. One employee harvests 30 kg per hour on average.[3] 2 kg worth of pay for the worker and 15 kg vanished into the market? 40 cents of the 6 euro goes to the field worker which is a lot! I would love to pay 6.40 for my asparagus if they raise the pay to 24 euro. I would also quit my job and go work there. (In Spain the asparagus might be cheaper, have more spears in a kg, people earn 3 euro per hour and they might be less productive. It's hard to calculate from here) [1] - https://www.1limburg.nl/prijs-asperges-dramatisch-laag-helft-van-de-kostprijs https://www.1limburg.nl/prijs-asperges-dramatisch-laag-helft... [2] - https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi99045/ah-asperges-wit https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi99045/ah-asperges-wit [3] - http://www.engelsmachines.nl/EN http://www.engelsmachines.nl/EN
TeMPOraL 7y ago
The free variable that consumes all available spending money tends to be rent. If food prices go up, I'd expect real estate prices to stop growing so fast. It would be a welcome change.