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> way more and better features That's hyperbole. Affinity products are quite close. Artists with more of a "hacker" mindset who can improvise a bit around miss

by nnq 7y ago

> way more and better features That's hyperbole. Affinity products are quite close. Artists with more of a "hacker" mindset who can improvise a bit around missing features can also get by with open-source alternatives like Inkscape and Gimp. Oh, and the new-user friendliness of Adobe products is abismall. I've never seem something more user-hostile than Photoshop - it imposes a brain-breaking mental model copied from the era of dark-room photo-effects or smth. and doesn't accept that everyone wants vector + raster in the same one software. If the industry would not be so high-pressure and artists would have time to learn more tools and play with stuff instead of crunching to meet deadlines, stockholm-syndrome-software like Adobe's would die off... it only survives because that +10% productivity + extra 15% productivity for using the same tool as all the others and all the examples give overwhelmed and overworked artists an extra 25% they can't say no to!

mattkrause 7y ago
The one thing I really miss from Illustrator is “Select Same Appearance”. It doesn’t seem like it’d be that hard to implement, but it’s been “coming soon” for five years.
knolan 7y ago
I learned to love Photoshop and Illustrator after watching a lot of excellent training videos back in the day. I held it up against appallingly bad CAD software like a SolidWorks and Pro/Engineer. Adobe’s apps are utopia in comparison to the hot mess of parametric CAD. Then I learned Blender and nothing comes close for speed and efficiency, except maybe Vim.
PunksATawnyFill 7y ago
Amen. The Photoshop UI is a mess. But... although I eagerly bought Designer when it came out (because Illustrator is basically dead), its UI isn't much better. And I consider that less forgivable in a new product.
jiveturkey 7y ago
> Affinity products are quite close. They aren't. Just look in this thread for many many examples. One thing I didn't see mentioned was scripts. If they were, Adobe would be scrambling. There isn't this grey line where one tool can do the same things but in some different way. There is a sharp line where the cheap tool can't do it at all. You're comparing excel to google sheets. UX enrages aside, the only thing not to like about illustrator is the cost. I also hate that you can't get a nice car for under $50k. That doesn't make the $50k and up cars an object of hate.

by nnq 7y ago

mattkrause 7y ago

The one thing I really miss from Illustrator is “Select Same Appearance”. It doesn’t seem like it’d be that hard to implement, but it’s been “coming soon” for five years.

knolan 7y ago

I learned to love Photoshop and Illustrator after watching a lot of excellent training videos back in the day. I held it up against appallingly bad CAD software like a SolidWorks and Pro/Engineer. Adobe’s apps are utopia in comparison to the hot mess of parametric CAD. Then I learned Blender and nothing comes close for speed and efficiency, except maybe Vim.

PunksATawnyFill 7y ago

Amen. The Photoshop UI is a mess. But... although I eagerly bought Designer when it came out (because Illustrator is basically dead), its UI isn't much better. And I consider that less forgivable in a new product.

jiveturkey 7y ago

> Affinity products are quite close. They aren't. Just look in this thread for many many examples. One thing I didn't see mentioned was scripts. If they were, Adobe would be scrambling. There isn't this grey line where one tool can do the same things but in some different way. There is a sharp line where the cheap tool can't do it at all. You're comparing excel to google sheets. UX enrages aside, the only thing not to like about illustrator is the cost. I also hate that you can't get a nice car for under $50k. That doesn't make the $50k and up cars an object of hate.