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> he UK right now sits at 11 deaths per 1m population, Germany at 5, and that's with Germany having tens of thousands of more cases [3]. The UK has done around

> he UK right now sits at 11 deaths per 1m population, Germany at 5, and that's with Germany having tens of thousands of more cases [3]. The UK has done around 110k tests, Germany more than 400k. Don't confuse positive test results with actual infections. If the UK tested more, it'd very likely have more "cases".

Zenst 7y ago
Very very true of many countries, the level of testing and how they record deaths has been done at the discretion of individual countries and in many ways, makes comparing data not as clear-cut as you would think. THough if you don't know that, you end up comparing, what are hard numbers that you take as golden and end up down many wrong turns. With that, who really thinks Russia has so few cases compared to the rest of the countries? Even deaths, which you would of thought would be pretty clear cut, some countries will not count deaths with underlying conditions when many do. Then you have those who died at home and nobody knows about it. I do know one thing, I feel for the postal workers in months ahead as there job will become a lot more morbid seeing who's letterbox is rammed and with that, possible dead people inside that nobody knows and for those postal workers - they will be the ones raising the alarms.
freeflight 7y ago
> Don't confuse positive test results with actual infections. I don't, I'm mostly going by deaths/1M pop, and afaik even if the UK tested more, that number wouldn't change and still be more than double that of Germany. So Germany must do something right that the UK doesn't. Maybe it's the extra ICU beds, maybe it's the rapid testing, most likely it's a combination of both of those in addition to the better funding?
- lazyjones 7y ago
  > So Germany must do something right that the UK doesn't. ... or wrong. Italy e.g. tests dead people for Coronavirus, Germany might conclude in many cases that people with prior issues died from those issues. I know Austria is very reluctant about this.
  - davrosthedalek 7y ago
    AFAIK, Germany counts Corona death similar/the same as Italy.
cycomanic 7y ago
But the testing is somewhat part of the picture. Germany is now testing 400k a week (I think that is what your number is referring to). Again that is a reflection of the German healthcare system. Another poster mentioned the decentralised nature of the German system, that has been mentioned as one of the reasons why Germany was able to test so much.
- lazyjones 7y ago
  > Germany is now testing 400k a week (I think that is what your number is referring to).& It's over 400k total as of March 23rd and 100k in the week of 20th. https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/coronatests-deutschland-coronavirus-covid-19-who-pandemie https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/coronatests-de... > Another poster mentioned the decentralised nature of the German system, that has been mentioned as one of the reasons why Germany was able to test so much.* Seems to be, but that makes Austria's excuses look a bit poor. Here they have a similar decentralised system, but they're claiming that they don't get enough test kits on the market and that's why they're now testing 3k-5k a day despite having lab capacities >15k/day. If Germany can get them, Austria can, too - money shouldn't be an issue.

Zenst 7y ago

Very very true of many countries, the level of testing and how they record deaths has been done at the discretion of individual countries and in many ways, makes comparing data not as clear-cut as you would think. THough if you don't know that, you end up comparing, what are hard numbers that you take as golden and end up down many wrong turns. With that, who really thinks Russia has so few cases compared to the rest of the countries? Even deaths, which you would of thought would be pretty clear cut, some countries will not count deaths with underlying conditions when many do. Then you have those who died at home and nobody knows about it. I do know one thing, I feel for the postal workers in months ahead as there job will become a lot more morbid seeing who's letterbox is rammed and with that, possible dead people inside that nobody knows and for those postal workers - they will be the ones raising the alarms.

freeflight 7y ago

> Don't confuse positive test results with actual infections. I don't, I'm mostly going by deaths/1M pop, and afaik even if the UK tested more, that number wouldn't change and still be more than double that of Germany. So Germany must do something right that the UK doesn't. Maybe it's the extra ICU beds, maybe it's the rapid testing, most likely it's a combination of both of those in addition to the better funding?

lazyjones 7y ago
> So Germany must do something right that the UK doesn't. ... or wrong. Italy e.g. tests dead people for Coronavirus, Germany might conclude in many cases that people with prior issues died from those issues. I know Austria is very reluctant about this.
- davrosthedalek 7y ago
  AFAIK, Germany counts Corona death similar/the same as Italy.

cycomanic 7y ago

But the testing is somewhat part of the picture. Germany is now testing 400k a week (I think that is what your number is referring to). Again that is a reflection of the German healthcare system. Another poster mentioned the decentralised nature of the German system, that has been mentioned as one of the reasons why Germany was able to test so much.

lazyjones 7y ago
> Germany is now testing 400k a week (I think that is what your number is referring to).& It's over 400k total as of March 23rd and 100k in the week of 20th. https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/coronatests-deutschland-coronavirus-covid-19-who-pandemie https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/coronatests-de... > Another poster mentioned the decentralised nature of the German system, that has been mentioned as one of the reasons why Germany was able to test so much.* Seems to be, but that makes Austria's excuses look a bit poor. Here they have a similar decentralised system, but they're claiming that they don't get enough test kits on the market and that's why they're now testing 3k-5k a day despite having lab capacities >15k/day. If Germany can get them, Austria can, too - money shouldn't be an issue.