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This is a great app! But it is so weird seeing photos on a CV. In the UK it is almost totally unheard of. And most large organisations will have an HR departmen

by edent 7y ago

This is a great app! But it is so weird seeing photos on a CV. In the UK it is almost totally unheard of. And most large organisations will have an HR department which would blank them out. Your CV is for judging your work history and experience. What can I learn from a photo that I would legally be able to take a decision about?

AmruthPillai 7y ago
Photographs on a Resume, I've heard is a standard in the EU. That's what I was told when I was applying to Jobs in Germany. And it's pretty common here in India as well. But I completely understand where you are coming from. Photos can cause bias in the hiring process and it's certainly debatable. That's why I've provided the option to either add an image or not have one, and designed the templates especially to fit both use cases.
- lukevp 7y ago
  That’s really interesting! I’ve never gotten a resume with a photo here in the US.
  - blattimwind 7y ago
    It used to be the expected norm, but nowadays a lot of the larger companies actively say they don't want pics, and depending on job sector, more and more people tend to not include them regardless.
  - heymijo 7y ago
    In the US there is a lot of law that makes employment discrimination illegal for a number of classes of people. IANAL: I don't know if it is outright illegal to request a picture but it sure seems like a great way to open yourself up to a lawsuit. > Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin > the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination > the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older > Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, as amended (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments > the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination. https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    In the US a resume with a photo will be discarded immediately by most companies. I suspect companies have written policies that say no photo resumes allowed. The simple reason is that a photo just opens up a ton of bias accusations. There is literally 0 information a photo can provide that can be legally used to make hiring decisions, but on the other hand, there are a whole host of biases it can introduce.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      Then you shouldn,t be allowed to put your name on your application either.
      - stjohnswarts 7y ago
        This is why some people choose to use their initials.
- vijaybritto 7y ago
  Also the address can be used to harass or stalk women. My friend had her address in her resume and uploaded it to naukri.com. Some random guy showed up at her doorstep claiming that he had a job for her. They called the police immediately and he ran away. It was crazy and tools like this can add a note about the potential security implications.
  - AmruthPillai 7y ago
    Woah, that sounds scary. Can't say that I don't believe it though. Some people are just that creepy.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Not at all, yes it is a requirement in traditional German companies, but not in most EU countries nor in German companies that are now fully digital in their hiring process. In Portugal and Spain for example, it is long not welcomed that people send resumes with pictures.
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    It's a requirement to have your picture on your resume? That seems rather antiquated and bias producing...
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      For very traditional companies, yes. You even have photography shops specialized in doing CV photos. https://www.studioline.de/fotoshootings-und-preise/bewerbungsfotos https://www.studioline.de/fotoshootings-und-preise/bewerbung... For certain of them you will also get points, if the CV is delivered in a nice portfolio folder, and there are whole sites dedicate to how you should organise the contents of it. https://www.die-bewerbungsschreiber.de/bewerbungsmappe https://www.die-bewerbungsschreiber.de/bewerbungsmappe Thankfully due to the uniformization of employment rules across UE and the fight against discrimination, that is slowly going away, specially in digital industry where you just get to send a PDF or fill out a form, instead of that bureaucratic process. But if you are applying to a company where work colleges still talk to each other with formal "Sie" after working together for decades alongside each other, then expect that process to still be the way how everything rolls.
      - subpixel 7y ago
        While we're on Germany, why is it common practice in the German press to specify the age of any person in a print article? Even when it is irrelevant to the content of the article?
        pjmlp 7y ago
        No idea actually. I also always found it strange.
globular-toast 7y ago
I read lots of CVs in the UK and do occasionally get pictures from non-natives. I find it very odd and would strongly discourage people from doing it. I'm not going to give you a job because of the way you look. I don't even care if you're human. You could be a dog but if you've got the chops and fit the team then I'll pay you in crunchy dog treats if that's what you want. I just don't understand what people are trying to achieve with their picture on the CV.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  Perfectly put. And employment agencies in the UK could not care less about your photo. Source: I worked[1] for one. [1] I initially typed that as 'whored'. FYI.
spinningD20 7y ago
For the context of this app and in general, I would agree. While I was at PyCon, I had prepped a version of my resume that had my photo on it, and during the job fair I shared them with folks and companies that interested me. I figured, if there's any chance of someone remembering a person and wanted to recommend them, a photo would go well with the name and info. But maybe it was ineffective :) I didn't think it would hurt to include, at the very least.
dominotw 7y ago
I think it has something to do with "bio data" format that govt uses in India.

by edent 7y ago

AmruthPillai 7y ago

Photographs on a Resume, I've heard is a standard in the EU. That's what I was told when I was applying to Jobs in Germany. And it's pretty common here in India as well. But I completely understand where you are coming from. Photos can cause bias in the hiring process and it's certainly debatable. That's why I've provided the option to either add an image or not have one, and designed the templates especially to fit both use cases.

lukevp 7y ago
That’s really interesting! I’ve never gotten a resume with a photo here in the US.
- blattimwind 7y ago
  It used to be the expected norm, but nowadays a lot of the larger companies actively say they don't want pics, and depending on job sector, more and more people tend to not include them regardless.
- heymijo 7y ago
  In the US there is a lot of law that makes employment discrimination illegal for a number of classes of people. IANAL: I don't know if it is outright illegal to request a picture but it sure seems like a great way to open yourself up to a lawsuit. > Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin > the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination > the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older > Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, as amended (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments > the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination. https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  In the US a resume with a photo will be discarded immediately by most companies. I suspect companies have written policies that say no photo resumes allowed. The simple reason is that a photo just opens up a ton of bias accusations. There is literally 0 information a photo can provide that can be legally used to make hiring decisions, but on the other hand, there are a whole host of biases it can introduce.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    Then you shouldn,t be allowed to put your name on your application either.
    - stjohnswarts 7y ago
      This is why some people choose to use their initials.
vijaybritto 7y ago
Also the address can be used to harass or stalk women. My friend had her address in her resume and uploaded it to naukri.com. Some random guy showed up at her doorstep claiming that he had a job for her. They called the police immediately and he ran away. It was crazy and tools like this can add a note about the potential security implications.
- AmruthPillai 7y ago
  Woah, that sounds scary. Can't say that I don't believe it though. Some people are just that creepy.
pjmlp 7y ago
Not at all, yes it is a requirement in traditional German companies, but not in most EU countries nor in German companies that are now fully digital in their hiring process. In Portugal and Spain for example, it is long not welcomed that people send resumes with pictures.
- stjohnswarts 7y ago
  It's a requirement to have your picture on your resume? That seems rather antiquated and bias producing...
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    For very traditional companies, yes. You even have photography shops specialized in doing CV photos. https://www.studioline.de/fotoshootings-und-preise/bewerbungsfotos https://www.studioline.de/fotoshootings-und-preise/bewerbung... For certain of them you will also get points, if the CV is delivered in a nice portfolio folder, and there are whole sites dedicate to how you should organise the contents of it. https://www.die-bewerbungsschreiber.de/bewerbungsmappe https://www.die-bewerbungsschreiber.de/bewerbungsmappe Thankfully due to the uniformization of employment rules across UE and the fight against discrimination, that is slowly going away, specially in digital industry where you just get to send a PDF or fill out a form, instead of that bureaucratic process. But if you are applying to a company where work colleges still talk to each other with formal "Sie" after working together for decades alongside each other, then expect that process to still be the way how everything rolls.
    - subpixel 7y ago
      While we're on Germany, why is it common practice in the German press to specify the age of any person in a print article? Even when it is irrelevant to the content of the article?
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        No idea actually. I also always found it strange.

globular-toast 7y ago

I read lots of CVs in the UK and do occasionally get pictures from non-natives. I find it very odd and would strongly discourage people from doing it. I'm not going to give you a job because of the way you look. I don't even care if you're human. You could be a dog but if you've got the chops and fit the team then I'll pay you in crunchy dog treats if that's what you want. I just don't understand what people are trying to achieve with their picture on the CV.

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
Perfectly put. And employment agencies in the UK could not care less about your photo. Source: I worked[1] for one. [1] I initially typed that as 'whored'. FYI.

spinningD20 7y ago

For the context of this app and in general, I would agree. While I was at PyCon, I had prepped a version of my resume that had my photo on it, and during the job fair I shared them with folks and companies that interested me. I figured, if there's any chance of someone remembering a person and wanted to recommend them, a photo would go well with the name and info. But maybe it was ineffective :) I didn't think it would hurt to include, at the very least.

dominotw 7y ago

I think it has something to do with "bio data" format that govt uses in India.