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> The C++ standards committee can standardize a backwards-incompatible "new" C++ for all I care as long as they don't call it C++. This x2. It's only C++ if yo

> The C++ standards committee can standardize a backwards-incompatible "new" C++ for all I care as long as they don't call it C++. This x2. It's only C++ if you can optionally refactor random lines of code in a project written in compliance with C++98 using new features and still get a valid program. Once you mess with the language in a way that your C++98 code is either not supported or requires rewrites or redesigns to comply with the new standard then quite obviously it is not C++ anymore. Semver matters.

badsectoracula 7y ago
Under semver, they could call it "C++ 2.0" and be fine since according to semver anything with a major version change is free to break backwards compatibility.
- rumanator 7y ago
  The hypothetical C++2.0 would have less to do with C++ than C++ would have to do with C, and no one disputes they are entirely separate languages.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago
  While technically true so much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility that I think the language would be instantly crippled. Java is in a similar situation, which is probably why they market the minor version.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Java and C++ have done several breaking changes, although not as bad as Python 3.0. The minor version for Java has stopped being used by Java 9.
    - heelix 7y ago
      Oracle calls the 6 month releases a 'major' version.. .but many corporate shops only care about the LTS versions (mostly 8 or 11) which are getting 90 day 'minor' patches. Java 11.0.6 is current till mid April, in which case 11.0.7 should hit. Our shops won't cut over to something beyond Java 11 until Java 17 (LTS version) hits in a few years. Just happy that we were able to make the jump from 8 to 11.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        It is still a major improvement being able to be on Java 11. Poor Android Java developers are now faced with being stuck with a pseudo Android Java subset of Java 8, or migrate to Kotlin. While any Java library author that wants to share their work with the Android community is faced with the dilemma of keeping two parallel versions of their library, forget about Android, or also convert themselves to Kotlin as well, even if that isn't their thing.
  - badsectoracula 7y ago
    Yes i know, my comment was really a jab at semver as i'm a huge proponent of keeping backwards compatibility.
  - sly010 7y ago
    > So much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility. You mean so much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility with C. Edit: Formatting.
rini17 7y ago
is (C++)++ okay?
- fourthark 7y ago
  No, postfix increment returns an rvalue, so it can’t be applied twice. (jk)
  - rini17 7y ago
    Ah of course. So name it instead C+=2
    - fourthark 7y ago
      Looks like you could have (++C)++
      - fetbaffe 7y ago
        If the idea is to remove old & deprecated features from C++ that would be (C++)—-
        fourthark 7y ago
        You can't do that because of the rvalue problem I mentioned above. Only (++C)-- and (--C)++ are allowed!
- nikanj 7y ago
  C# is C with four plus-signs arranged neatly.
  - jnellis 7y ago
    Not to be pedantic but Microsoft already coined a language called C#. How about keep the ++, just spin the C upside down. J++.
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badsectoracula 7y ago

Under semver, they could call it "C++ 2.0" and be fine since according to semver anything with a major version change is free to break backwards compatibility.

rumanator 7y ago
The hypothetical C++2.0 would have less to do with C++ than C++ would have to do with C, and no one disputes they are entirely separate languages.
paulryanrogers 7y ago
While technically true so much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility that I think the language would be instantly crippled. Java is in a similar situation, which is probably why they market the minor version.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Java and C++ have done several breaking changes, although not as bad as Python 3.0. The minor version for Java has stopped being used by Java 9.
  - heelix 7y ago
    Oracle calls the 6 month releases a 'major' version.. .but many corporate shops only care about the LTS versions (mostly 8 or 11) which are getting 90 day 'minor' patches. Java 11.0.6 is current till mid April, in which case 11.0.7 should hit. Our shops won't cut over to something beyond Java 11 until Java 17 (LTS version) hits in a few years. Just happy that we were able to make the jump from 8 to 11.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      It is still a major improvement being able to be on Java 11. Poor Android Java developers are now faced with being stuck with a pseudo Android Java subset of Java 8, or migrate to Kotlin. While any Java library author that wants to share their work with the Android community is faced with the dilemma of keeping two parallel versions of their library, forget about Android, or also convert themselves to Kotlin as well, even if that isn't their thing.
- badsectoracula 7y ago
  Yes i know, my comment was really a jab at semver as i'm a huge proponent of keeping backwards compatibility.
- sly010 7y ago
  > So much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility. You mean so much of C++'s success is due to backward compatibility with C. Edit: Formatting.

rini17 7y ago

is (C++)++ okay?

fourthark 7y ago
No, postfix increment returns an rvalue, so it can’t be applied twice. (jk)
- rini17 7y ago
  Ah of course. So name it instead C+=2
  - fourthark 7y ago
    Looks like you could have (++C)++
    - fetbaffe 7y ago
      If the idea is to remove old & deprecated features from C++ that would be (C++)—-
      - fourthark 7y ago
        You can't do that because of the rvalue problem I mentioned above. Only (++C)-- and (--C)++ are allowed!
nikanj 7y ago
C# is C with four plus-signs arranged neatly.
- jnellis 7y ago
  Not to be pedantic but Microsoft already coined a language called C#. How about keep the ++, just spin the C upside down. J++.

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