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Most people (non medical professionals) couldn't take off gloves properly without contaminating themselves. Same thing with putting on and taking off a face mas

Most people (non medical professionals) couldn't take off gloves properly without contaminating themselves. Same thing with putting on and taking off a face mask. It'd provide a false sense of security.

WheelsAtLarge 7y ago
Teach them and let them know the risk if they don't do it right. I think this is one of the situations where there is no scientific study to be able to make an informed decision. The CDC has said over and over that asymptomatic individuals can still pass the virus and that it's mostly transferred via respiratory droplets. The mask would at least reduce transmissions. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi...
- saluki 7y ago
  y, I still don't understand how wearing a mask isn't a priority when people do go out. I understand people might be taking away masks from trained professionals but if everyone wore even basic masks it would stop droplets on the spreader and spreadee side of things and keep people from touching their mouth and nose. Some type of glasses would be a plus too.
  - shahbaby 7y ago
    Probably because of social stigma Yes, people are dumb
  - JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
    There aren't enough masks available, and it reasonable for health care workers to be given highest priority access to them.
    - WheelsAtLarge 7y ago
      I totally agree that first responders need to get them first. This virus will not go away. We need to plan towards the future until we get a vaccine or there's enough herd immunity that it's no longer a threat. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22708139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22708139
    - woofie11 7y ago
      That's a reasonable argument to make, and a correct one. That's different from the lie which is being given to the population: that they don't help.
    - sdhankar 7y ago
      Thats the question I am struggling with, what does it takes to set up infrastructure for masks on scale, maybe somewhat lower quality for the population. Compared to the cost of shutting down lives of people which would have a very long term impact.
    - npalmer76 7y ago
      Certainly N95 and such should go to providers but if everybody used even a cotton bandana on their face would help.
  - bttw2 7y ago
    I don't understand why people are wearing masks at all. Dont they only protect you from inhaling someone's cough or sneeze? How often do people get coughed on? Frequent hand washing and sterilization makes more sense to me. The cough droplets are on surfaces we touch. You aren't going to inhale them.
    - npalmer76 7y ago
      Wearing a mask is about not spreading your droplets around. While they do protect you to some degree they also protect other people from you. There is no way to know if you are an asymptomatic or presymptomatic carrier. Hand washing and sterilization are also useful tools but so are masks. Certainly we need to have them for our providers but having even a cotton bandanna on yourself is a courtesy to others. Anything to reduce your spread of droplets may help others.
extropic-engine 7y ago
these are the cdc guidelines for removing gloves safely. it's literally the simplest and most obvious thing in the world. i rarely wore gloves before this and this is what i have been doing with my gloves the entire time. why do you think this would be difficult for people? https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/poster-how-to-remove-gloves.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/poster-how-to-remove-glove...
- JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
  Sample bias. If you put shaving cream all over the gloves, and tell a person to remove them without coming to contact with the shaving cream, they usually do contact the shaving cream (which represents bacteria). Most people will not intuitively remove gloves in a hygienic manner. While this can be solved with education, the gloves without the education is false protection.
- hakunamytatas 7y ago
  Have you not been in public before? Most people are complete idiots and would do more damage than good vs staying home. If people would take this serious and just stay home that would be great.
- shostack 7y ago
  Interesting. I feel like step 4 may be a bit tricky to do reliably without touching the exterior of the glove.

WheelsAtLarge 7y ago

Teach them and let them know the risk if they don't do it right. I think this is one of the situations where there is no scientific study to be able to make an informed decision. The CDC has said over and over that asymptomatic individuals can still pass the virus and that it's mostly transferred via respiratory droplets. The mask would at least reduce transmissions. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi...

saluki 7y ago
y, I still don't understand how wearing a mask isn't a priority when people do go out. I understand people might be taking away masks from trained professionals but if everyone wore even basic masks it would stop droplets on the spreader and spreadee side of things and keep people from touching their mouth and nose. Some type of glasses would be a plus too.
- shahbaby 7y ago
  Probably because of social stigma Yes, people are dumb
- JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
  There aren't enough masks available, and it reasonable for health care workers to be given highest priority access to them.
  - WheelsAtLarge 7y ago
    I totally agree that first responders need to get them first. This virus will not go away. We need to plan towards the future until we get a vaccine or there's enough herd immunity that it's no longer a threat. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22708139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22708139
  - woofie11 7y ago
    That's a reasonable argument to make, and a correct one. That's different from the lie which is being given to the population: that they don't help.
  - sdhankar 7y ago
    Thats the question I am struggling with, what does it takes to set up infrastructure for masks on scale, maybe somewhat lower quality for the population. Compared to the cost of shutting down lives of people which would have a very long term impact.
  - npalmer76 7y ago
    Certainly N95 and such should go to providers but if everybody used even a cotton bandana on their face would help.
- bttw2 7y ago
  I don't understand why people are wearing masks at all. Dont they only protect you from inhaling someone's cough or sneeze? How often do people get coughed on? Frequent hand washing and sterilization makes more sense to me. The cough droplets are on surfaces we touch. You aren't going to inhale them.
  - npalmer76 7y ago
    Wearing a mask is about not spreading your droplets around. While they do protect you to some degree they also protect other people from you. There is no way to know if you are an asymptomatic or presymptomatic carrier. Hand washing and sterilization are also useful tools but so are masks. Certainly we need to have them for our providers but having even a cotton bandanna on yourself is a courtesy to others. Anything to reduce your spread of droplets may help others.

extropic-engine 7y ago

these are the cdc guidelines for removing gloves safely. it's literally the simplest and most obvious thing in the world. i rarely wore gloves before this and this is what i have been doing with my gloves the entire time. why do you think this would be difficult for people? https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/poster-how-to-remove-gloves.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/poster-how-to-remove-glove...

JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
Sample bias. If you put shaving cream all over the gloves, and tell a person to remove them without coming to contact with the shaving cream, they usually do contact the shaving cream (which represents bacteria). Most people will not intuitively remove gloves in a hygienic manner. While this can be solved with education, the gloves without the education is false protection.
hakunamytatas 7y ago
Have you not been in public before? Most people are complete idiots and would do more damage than good vs staying home. If people would take this serious and just stay home that would be great.
shostack 7y ago
Interesting. I feel like step 4 may be a bit tricky to do reliably without touching the exterior of the glove.