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I don't think you can ethically intentionally infect people, even volunteers, with a potentially fatal disease. Even some small percentage of young and healthy

I don't think you can ethically intentionally infect people, even volunteers, with a potentially fatal disease. Even some small percentage of young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19.

arcticbull 7y ago
> Even some small percentage of young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19. Some small percentage of young people are dying from the flu too, it's unfortunate, and it happens. We need to keep our eyes focused on the statistics not the anecdotes. Every disease is potentially fatal. We definitely shouldn't intentionally infect anyone. It's just not necessary.
FriendlyNormie 7y ago
People volunteer to be locked in facilities for 30+ days to be injected with potentially fatal new and poorly understood drugs all the time in exchange for a few thousand dollars.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  True, but in a fast-spreading disease we shouldn't have to solicit folks to voluntarily get infected, we can just grab a few people who've tested positive.
- trhway 7y ago
  >for a few thousand dollars yep. Even 100K people at $100K would be just $10B, a laughable amount compare to the $6T stimulus in US.
LatteLazy 7y ago
Even if its safer to be in that group than not?
BurningFrog 7y ago
Maybe that tells us that particular version of ethics has flaws? Either way, people can always infect themselves under most ethics.
- odyssey7 7y ago
  I disagree. Infecting yourself can have a high likelihood of causing others to be infected, depending on the pathogen, and risks costing many thousands in medical expenses that will be borne by society at large. Edit: Society at large bears the cost when healthcare is nationalized. If you get your insurance through your employer, those thousands are paid by your employer and co-workers.
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    That's actually a fair point. I only considered the harm to yourself, but the risk you put others in is also a real factor.
    - odyssey7 7y ago
      But like you pointed out, there are times when it makes sense. The world is a better place because Barry Marshall gave himself H. pylori. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall
odyssey7 7y ago
I once heard that an acquaintance had participated in a study for which he was injected with a flu virus. I never verified this however.
toohotatopic 7y ago
What's the difference to being a mercenary? People rent their body to fight an opponent, just not a human one.
brute 7y ago
Do you have a source that young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19? Just curious. The best I have is the Italian National Institute of Health (ISS) which did a study on all 2003 dead (back when that was the number). Only 5 have been under the age of 40 and all of them had medical preconditions. There are young and healthy people that show heavy symptoms and even need ventilation, but they all seem to survive.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  Average age of dead was 80.5 and mode had 3 underlying medical conditions. Based on the distributions of the dead world-wide it's pretty safe to say that overwhelmingly the young and healthy do not succumb. There will always be a fringe minority, as there are with the flu. For reference, the flu and other common perennial viruses cause 40% of all cases of community-acquired bacterial pneumonia. [1] [1] https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/topics/pneumonia/bacterial-pneumonia-complicating-influenza-risks-morbidity-and-mortality/ https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/topics/pneumonia/bac...
trhway 7y ago
>I don't think you can ethically intentionally infect people, even volunteers, with a potentially fatal disease. yet, it is somehow ethical to send young healthy people to kill and die in the meaningless wars driven by corporation profits. I think your ethics has extremely serious ethical flaws.

I don't think you can ethically intentionally infect people, even volunteers, with a potentially fatal disease. Even some small percentage of young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19.

arcticbull 7y ago

> Even some small percentage of young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19. Some small percentage of young people are dying from the flu too, it's unfortunate, and it happens. We need to keep our eyes focused on the statistics not the anecdotes. Every disease is potentially fatal. We definitely shouldn't intentionally infect anyone. It's just not necessary.

FriendlyNormie 7y ago

People volunteer to be locked in facilities for 30+ days to be injected with potentially fatal new and poorly understood drugs all the time in exchange for a few thousand dollars.

arcticbull 7y ago
True, but in a fast-spreading disease we shouldn't have to solicit folks to voluntarily get infected, we can just grab a few people who've tested positive.
trhway 7y ago
>for a few thousand dollars yep. Even 100K people at $100K would be just $10B, a laughable amount compare to the $6T stimulus in US.

LatteLazy 7y ago

Even if its safer to be in that group than not?

BurningFrog 7y ago

Maybe that tells us that particular version of ethics has flaws? Either way, people can always infect themselves under most ethics.

odyssey7 7y ago
I disagree. Infecting yourself can have a high likelihood of causing others to be infected, depending on the pathogen, and risks costing many thousands in medical expenses that will be borne by society at large. Edit: Society at large bears the cost when healthcare is nationalized. If you get your insurance through your employer, those thousands are paid by your employer and co-workers.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  That's actually a fair point. I only considered the harm to yourself, but the risk you put others in is also a real factor.
  - odyssey7 7y ago
    But like you pointed out, there are times when it makes sense. The world is a better place because Barry Marshall gave himself H. pylori. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall

odyssey7 7y ago

I once heard that an acquaintance had participated in a study for which he was injected with a flu virus. I never verified this however.

toohotatopic 7y ago

What's the difference to being a mercenary? People rent their body to fight an opponent, just not a human one.

brute 7y ago

Do you have a source that young and healthy people are dying from COVID-19? Just curious. The best I have is the Italian National Institute of Health (ISS) which did a study on all 2003 dead (back when that was the number). Only 5 have been under the age of 40 and all of them had medical preconditions. There are young and healthy people that show heavy symptoms and even need ventilation, but they all seem to survive.

arcticbull 7y ago
Average age of dead was 80.5 and mode had 3 underlying medical conditions. Based on the distributions of the dead world-wide it's pretty safe to say that overwhelmingly the young and healthy do not succumb. There will always be a fringe minority, as there are with the flu. For reference, the flu and other common perennial viruses cause 40% of all cases of community-acquired bacterial pneumonia. [1] [1] https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/topics/pneumonia/bacterial-pneumonia-complicating-influenza-risks-morbidity-and-mortality/ https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/topics/pneumonia/bac...

trhway 7y ago

>I don't think you can ethically intentionally infect people, even volunteers, with a potentially fatal disease. yet, it is somehow ethical to send young healthy people to kill and die in the meaningless wars driven by corporation profits. I think your ethics has extremely serious ethical flaws.