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This makes me very happy. I wonder if we could some day come up with some way to coexist with nature instead of blindly blanketing it with asphalt and concrete.

chrisco255 7y ago
Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans. They are one of the most successful species at adapting to human civilization. Pigeons, rats, roaches, etc. also quite successful.
- outworlder 7y ago
  > Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans I have only seen them being 'successful' if are large tracts of land around the cities that they can live at. Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan? If not, as we expand the urban sprawl, they might become less successful... And coyotes are not the only species we should be worried about.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Manhattan is quite the edge case. It's one of the densest areas on the planet. I don't think that's a good model for development. Sprawl in the U.S. is more of the suburban variety and there coyotes do thrive quite well. They don't even need large tracts of land. They are fully capable of burrowing in little pockets of green space. See: https://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-info/general-information-about-coyotes https://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-info/general-informat...
    - frosted-flakes 7y ago
      That is such a neat website, and very interesting research.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    I thought the whole point of complaints about "sprawl" was that suburbs are bad and "urbs" are good. The suburbs are prime habitat for a lot of creatures including coyotes, especially because they don't have to worry about hunters.
  - hadlock 7y ago
    Coyotes are very common in Dallas. I've seen then in the park 2 miles from downtown Dallas. Dallas is a concrete suburban hell for ~30 miles in all directions. Dogs were domesticated by hanging out near humans. Seems like Coyotes are following the same general pattern from thousands of years ago.
  - shagmin 7y ago
    You could say if more people lived in places like Manhattan, then there'd be more tracts of land elsewhere for coyotes (and other wildlife) to live.
  - brlewis 7y ago
    > Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan? They do. https://centralpark.org/coyotes-in-central-park/ https://centralpark.org/coyotes-in-central-park/
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  They are even pretty regularly seen around Toronto still. Normally they're just fine. They prefer to keep distance, but it's best to keep an eye. Any bold behaviour usually means they're hungry, which can lead to desperation. Them and raccoons, those devils.
  - keeganpoppen 7y ago
    haha-- i've heard this in reference to raccoons many times, and i've always wondered: what kinds of things to raccoons get up to that earn them such a universal designation (condemnation?)? like, surely even though a coyote technically doesn't impose (much of) a physical threat, it is more threatening than a raccoon... i do know that they are terribly fond of pulling lids off trash cans, etc., so i assume the annoyance power has at least something to do with it? (they're so _cute_ though!... xD)
    - clairity 7y ago
      they're super cute, but will claw and bite you viciously if threatened. there used to be a couple in my neighborhood in LA and i'd hear them fighting sometimes (when not raiding trash cans). they're also a rabies vector. but generally, they'll leave you alone if you leave them alone.
      - tzs 7y ago
        Do you mean LA as in Los Angeles or as in Louisiana? If it is Los Angeles, then rabies from raccoons is not really a worry. The raccoon rabies reservoir in the United States is just in populations in the southeastern, mid-Atlantic, and northeastern states. Raccoons can be downright creepy, though, in the right circumstances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-6MxobUeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-6MxobUeU
        clairity 7y ago
        that video is funny and very cute. but yes, los angeles, and that's good to know. growing up out in the country taught me to not worry too much about wild animals generally, but that any animal can be dangerous under stress (including humans!).
spking 7y ago
I hope so. I would extend this to vegetation. I would much rather have more big beautiful trees around than another golf course or parking lot.

chrisco255 7y ago

Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans. They are one of the most successful species at adapting to human civilization. Pigeons, rats, roaches, etc. also quite successful.

outworlder 7y ago
> Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans I have only seen them being 'successful' if are large tracts of land around the cities that they can live at. Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan? If not, as we expand the urban sprawl, they might become less successful... And coyotes are not the only species we should be worried about.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Manhattan is quite the edge case. It's one of the densest areas on the planet. I don't think that's a good model for development. Sprawl in the U.S. is more of the suburban variety and there coyotes do thrive quite well. They don't even need large tracts of land. They are fully capable of burrowing in little pockets of green space. See: https://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-info/general-information-about-coyotes https://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-info/general-informat...
  - frosted-flakes 7y ago
    That is such a neat website, and very interesting research.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  I thought the whole point of complaints about "sprawl" was that suburbs are bad and "urbs" are good. The suburbs are prime habitat for a lot of creatures including coyotes, especially because they don't have to worry about hunters.
- hadlock 7y ago
  Coyotes are very common in Dallas. I've seen then in the park 2 miles from downtown Dallas. Dallas is a concrete suburban hell for ~30 miles in all directions. Dogs were domesticated by hanging out near humans. Seems like Coyotes are following the same general pattern from thousands of years ago.
- shagmin 7y ago
  You could say if more people lived in places like Manhattan, then there'd be more tracts of land elsewhere for coyotes (and other wildlife) to live.
- brlewis 7y ago
  > Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan? They do. https://centralpark.org/coyotes-in-central-park/ https://centralpark.org/coyotes-in-central-park/
52-6F-62 7y ago
They are even pretty regularly seen around Toronto still. Normally they're just fine. They prefer to keep distance, but it's best to keep an eye. Any bold behaviour usually means they're hungry, which can lead to desperation. Them and raccoons, those devils.
- keeganpoppen 7y ago
  haha-- i've heard this in reference to raccoons many times, and i've always wondered: what kinds of things to raccoons get up to that earn them such a universal designation (condemnation?)? like, surely even though a coyote technically doesn't impose (much of) a physical threat, it is more threatening than a raccoon... i do know that they are terribly fond of pulling lids off trash cans, etc., so i assume the annoyance power has at least something to do with it? (they're so _cute_ though!... xD)
  - clairity 7y ago
    they're super cute, but will claw and bite you viciously if threatened. there used to be a couple in my neighborhood in LA and i'd hear them fighting sometimes (when not raiding trash cans). they're also a rabies vector. but generally, they'll leave you alone if you leave them alone.
    - tzs 7y ago
      Do you mean LA as in Los Angeles or as in Louisiana? If it is Los Angeles, then rabies from raccoons is not really a worry. The raccoon rabies reservoir in the United States is just in populations in the southeastern, mid-Atlantic, and northeastern states. Raccoons can be downright creepy, though, in the right circumstances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-6MxobUeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-6MxobUeU
      - clairity 7y ago
        that video is funny and very cute. but yes, los angeles, and that's good to know. growing up out in the country taught me to not worry too much about wild animals generally, but that any animal can be dangerous under stress (including humans!).

spking 7y ago

I hope so. I would extend this to vegetation. I would much rather have more big beautiful trees around than another golf course or parking lot.