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No, I'm proud that I haven't rebooted in 72 days. The last clause was me acknowledging that this isn't good computer hygiene. edit: And I'm trying to help othe

No, I'm proud that I haven't rebooted in 72 days. The last clause was me acknowledging that this isn't good computer hygiene. edit: And I'm trying to help other people. I know how infuriating it is to have your computer restart in the middle of something, and the above fix is pretty straightforward.

baybal2 7y ago
I think having to disable the autoupdate in win10 is the most requested thing for IT helpdesks these days. As a result of this complete ignorance to ergonomics, the windows ecosystem is returning back to WinXP years, and windows users are now getting pwned by years old exploits again. I think microsoft best achievement in win7 was that it was working "out of the box" without having to hack it. Now, win10 again requires to be hacked right out of the box just to work. People now install stuff like https://www.novirusthanks.org/products/win-update-stop/ https://www.novirusthanks.org/products/win-update-stop/ or https://securityxploded.com/windows-autoupdate-disable.php https://securityxploded.com/windows-autoupdate-disable.php and countless others. But when they finally need to update, the half broken windows install may give up the ghost, because the update script can't account for hundreds of ways how windows internals may have been altered, and so they learn to not to update at all, and switch to antiviruses, qihoo and other "crapware clearners" in the end
- derefr 7y ago
  > Now, win10 again requires to be hacked right out of the box just to work. Or, to rephrase that (from Microsoft's—and most IT departments'—perspective): Windows now works, as once again users with broken workflows are now forced into fiddly sub-optimal patterns for using the OS, which are more work to maintain than just correcting their workflow. (And IT departments are empowered to not even allow these fiddly sub-optimal patterns through GPOs, allowing them to force users to immediately rectify their workflows.) Microsoft is trying to be the teacher that slaps your hand with a ruler when you look down at the keyboard instead of touch-typing. Except, instead of touch-typing, they're trying to force people to use (and build) software in a way that makes restarting their computer irrelevant, by e.g. making long-running jobs checkpoint their work and resume from the last checkpoint after a restart.
  - rcxdude 7y ago
    Still doesn't work for all cases. At my work we had a system running a control loop reboot due to updates, which reset a system which had been stabilising for weeks (we had tried to stop it updating, unsuccessfully as it turned out). Windows is basically rendering itself unsuitable for running such a system because of their update policy (which is a shame when the systems necessary for running the control loop depend on it).
    - derefr 7y ago
      I mean... shouldn't those systems be running Windows IoT Core (nee Windows Embedded)? That branch doesn't have auto updates, AFAIK.
      - baybal2 7y ago
        These systems shouldn't be running Windows to begin with
      - rcxdude 7y ago
        These are lab experiments. The people running, configuring, and setting them up neither have the expertise nor the time to set up such a system.
    - jimnotgym 7y ago
      I can't say this chimes with me at all. I have seen plenty of Windows server 2016 (W10 for servers ish) stay up for over a year. On an AD network you control the update policy! I can stop all of my clients updating with a group policy.
      - rcxdude 7y ago
        This is basically a desktop system running a lab experiment. After the pop saying 'reboot in x hours' we changed the group policy, however this does not stop a pending update.
- jimnotgym 7y ago
  > I think having to disable the autoupdate in win10 is the most requested thing for IT helpdesks these days. That has not happened even once to me, and what company allows users to decide? I can tell you that the majority of calls to my desk from mac users are a direct result of not updating. The Windows machines all have their updates controlled by WSUS, a standard component on an AD network. I have very close to zero problems with Windows 10 updates.
jimnotgym 7y ago
> how infuriating it is to have your computer restart in the middle of something That last happened to me a couple of years ago and I used Windows 10 every day since.

baybal2 7y ago

I think having to disable the autoupdate in win10 is the most requested thing for IT helpdesks these days. As a result of this complete ignorance to ergonomics, the windows ecosystem is returning back to WinXP years, and windows users are now getting pwned by years old exploits again. I think microsoft best achievement in win7 was that it was working "out of the box" without having to hack it. Now, win10 again requires to be hacked right out of the box just to work. People now install stuff like https://www.novirusthanks.org/products/win-update-stop/ https://www.novirusthanks.org/products/win-update-stop/ or https://securityxploded.com/windows-autoupdate-disable.php https://securityxploded.com/windows-autoupdate-disable.php and countless others. But when they finally need to update, the half broken windows install may give up the ghost, because the update script can't account for hundreds of ways how windows internals may have been altered, and so they learn to not to update at all, and switch to antiviruses, qihoo and other "crapware clearners" in the end

derefr 7y ago
> Now, win10 again requires to be hacked right out of the box just to work. Or, to rephrase that (from Microsoft's—and most IT departments'—perspective): Windows now works, as once again users with broken workflows are now forced into fiddly sub-optimal patterns for using the OS, which are more work to maintain than just correcting their workflow. (And IT departments are empowered to not even allow these fiddly sub-optimal patterns through GPOs, allowing them to force users to immediately rectify their workflows.) Microsoft is trying to be the teacher that slaps your hand with a ruler when you look down at the keyboard instead of touch-typing. Except, instead of touch-typing, they're trying to force people to use (and build) software in a way that makes restarting their computer irrelevant, by e.g. making long-running jobs checkpoint their work and resume from the last checkpoint after a restart.
- rcxdude 7y ago
  Still doesn't work for all cases. At my work we had a system running a control loop reboot due to updates, which reset a system which had been stabilising for weeks (we had tried to stop it updating, unsuccessfully as it turned out). Windows is basically rendering itself unsuitable for running such a system because of their update policy (which is a shame when the systems necessary for running the control loop depend on it).
  - derefr 7y ago
    I mean... shouldn't those systems be running Windows IoT Core (nee Windows Embedded)? That branch doesn't have auto updates, AFAIK.
    - baybal2 7y ago
      These systems shouldn't be running Windows to begin with
    - rcxdude 7y ago
      These are lab experiments. The people running, configuring, and setting them up neither have the expertise nor the time to set up such a system.
  - jimnotgym 7y ago
    I can't say this chimes with me at all. I have seen plenty of Windows server 2016 (W10 for servers ish) stay up for over a year. On an AD network you control the update policy! I can stop all of my clients updating with a group policy.
    - rcxdude 7y ago
      This is basically a desktop system running a lab experiment. After the pop saying 'reboot in x hours' we changed the group policy, however this does not stop a pending update.
jimnotgym 7y ago
> I think having to disable the autoupdate in win10 is the most requested thing for IT helpdesks these days. That has not happened even once to me, and what company allows users to decide? I can tell you that the majority of calls to my desk from mac users are a direct result of not updating. The Windows machines all have their updates controlled by WSUS, a standard component on an AD network. I have very close to zero problems with Windows 10 updates.

jimnotgym 7y ago

> how infuriating it is to have your computer restart in the middle of something That last happened to me a couple of years ago and I used Windows 10 every day since.