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Ah, people who believe in marxism are ideologues and people who believe in the predominant ruling-class economic wisdom are simply wisely following expert advic

by 0x262d 7y ago

Ah, people who believe in marxism are ideologues and people who believe in the predominant ruling-class economic wisdom are simply wisely following expert advice. I feel like I've been here before. If you dropped the constantly condescending hyperbolic anti marxist stuff and made substantive criticisms besides linking to wikipedia this could be a more interesting conversation!

nemo 7y ago
"people who believe in marxism are ideologues and people who believe in the predominant ruling-class economic wisdom are simply wisely following expert advice" You are half right. People who are adherents to Marxism are certainly ideologues - Marxism is an ideology, not a science, and it's anti-empiricism leaves it there permanently. There's quite a lot of diversity among expert opinion on the many matters Marx discusses, and while current economics is barely a science, we have learned some things in the past 150 years. Marxism is a cult that pretends to have a science, despite the 150 year old claptrap in the source being unscientific, incoherent, and with most key concepts in Marx's ideas of economics being discredited. His more useful ideas have been picked up by everyone, and he's useful as a foil to illustrate ignorant concepts, but there really has been some progress in the sciences Marx was foundering at in the last 150 years. Dumping Hegelian magical thinking and learning to ground concepts in empirical data helped quite a lot for progress. The faithful follow Marx's anti-empiricism and adhere to Dear Leader's Greatness out of a sense of identity in the cause of seeking justice and economic fairness because it's a cult not a science. Marxists murdered anyone on the left who didn't agree with them as happily as the Capitalists, but these days it is possible to dump Marx and still be sincerely committed to universal economic justice. In fact it's our only chance given Marxism's dismal failure.
- 0x262d 7y ago
  this is obviously silly, opinionated and unsubstantiated. criticize it on the merits or don't. so far you've just said "anti empirical" and linked wikipedia.
  - nemo 7y ago
    "Anti empirical" really should be enough.
    - 0x262d 7y ago
      lol. more garbage. I meant to type "anti-empiricism" - which is a reasonable philosophical position that doesn't actually just mean someone hates evidence. it's not enough.

by 0x262d 7y ago

nemo 7y ago

"people who believe in marxism are ideologues and people who believe in the predominant ruling-class economic wisdom are simply wisely following expert advice" You are half right. People who are adherents to Marxism are certainly ideologues - Marxism is an ideology, not a science, and it's anti-empiricism leaves it there permanently. There's quite a lot of diversity among expert opinion on the many matters Marx discusses, and while current economics is barely a science, we have learned some things in the past 150 years. Marxism is a cult that pretends to have a science, despite the 150 year old claptrap in the source being unscientific, incoherent, and with most key concepts in Marx's ideas of economics being discredited. His more useful ideas have been picked up by everyone, and he's useful as a foil to illustrate ignorant concepts, but there really has been some progress in the sciences Marx was foundering at in the last 150 years. Dumping Hegelian magical thinking and learning to ground concepts in empirical data helped quite a lot for progress. The faithful follow Marx's anti-empiricism and adhere to Dear Leader's Greatness out of a sense of identity in the cause of seeking justice and economic fairness because it's a cult not a science. Marxists murdered anyone on the left who didn't agree with them as happily as the Capitalists, but these days it is possible to dump Marx and still be sincerely committed to universal economic justice. In fact it's our only chance given Marxism's dismal failure.

0x262d 7y ago
this is obviously silly, opinionated and unsubstantiated. criticize it on the merits or don't. so far you've just said "anti empirical" and linked wikipedia.
- nemo 7y ago
  "Anti empirical" really should be enough.
  - 0x262d 7y ago
    lol. more garbage. I meant to type "anti-empiricism" - which is a reasonable philosophical position that doesn't actually just mean someone hates evidence. it's not enough.