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I suggest the use of Tor.

by artificial 7y ago

swsieber 7y ago
If they are blocking those addresses, what makes you think they aren't blocking tor?
- artificial 7y ago
  This is trivial to verify. I’ll save you two minutes and say that yes indeed it’s accessible through Tor. Tor doesn’t have a static number of exit nodes and due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block.
  - duskwuff 7y ago
    > due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block. Due to the fact that the Tor project provides a variety of lookup tools to determine whether an IP is an exit node -- including a DNS-based lookup -- it's trivial to block Tor users. https://www.torproject.org/projects/tordnsel.html.en https://www.torproject.org/projects/tordnsel.html.en
    - artificial 7y ago
      Yet it isn’t blocked while this VPN is.
      - judge2020 7y ago
        But your reasoning is incorrect - in fact, site owners can block Tor in Cloudflare with a single, easy to configure firewall rule. > Tor doesn’t have a static number of exit nodes and due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block.
        kcolford 7y ago
        Really? I don't think I've seen that before. Where is that?
        duskwuff 7y ago
        It's treated like a country, with country code "T1". Site operators can create rules which apply special handling to visitors from the exotic country of Torlandia. ;) https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930-Understanding-Cloudflare-Tor-support-and-Onion-Routing https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930-U...
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    making tor exits unblockable is the opposite of how the tor project operates.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      Actually, there is a proposal for Tor exits to use a different IPv6 address for each circuit. See https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646
      - tjoff 7y ago
        They still would be listed though? And people blocking tor ipv6 would of course block ranges rather than individual IPs.
        mirimir 7y ago
        I presume that they'd never get reused. And yes, there could be blocking by ranges. And while I doubt that Tor would ever do it, one could use residential IPs via "free" smartphone apps. Some VPN services may be doing that.
        tjoff 7y ago
        They are all listed... https://blog.torproject.org/changes-tor-exit-list-service https://blog.torproject.org/changes-tor-exit-list-service No one could not use residential IPs that way.
        mirimir 7y ago
        Yes, they're all listed now. But I don't see anything in https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 about listing the IPv6 addresses. And using random addresses from multiple /48, that'd be an extremely long list. I was wrong about not reusing IPv6. But even so, using the same IPv6 would be very rare, given the number available. You say that no one could use residential IPs that way. But I know for a fact that it's already being done. For example, see https://luminati.io/proxy-networks/residential-ips https://luminati.io/proxy-networks/residential-ips.

I suggest the use of Tor.

swsieber 7y ago

If they are blocking those addresses, what makes you think they aren't blocking tor?

artificial 7y ago
This is trivial to verify. I’ll save you two minutes and say that yes indeed it’s accessible through Tor. Tor doesn’t have a static number of exit nodes and due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block.
- duskwuff 7y ago
  > due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block. Due to the fact that the Tor project provides a variety of lookup tools to determine whether an IP is an exit node -- including a DNS-based lookup -- it's trivial to block Tor users. https://www.torproject.org/projects/tordnsel.html.en https://www.torproject.org/projects/tordnsel.html.en
  - artificial 7y ago
    Yet it isn’t blocked while this VPN is.
    - judge2020 7y ago
      But your reasoning is incorrect - in fact, site owners can block Tor in Cloudflare with a single, easy to configure firewall rule. > Tor doesn’t have a static number of exit nodes and due to the variable nature of the network it’s difficult to block.
      - kcolford 7y ago
        Really? I don't think I've seen that before. Where is that?
        duskwuff 7y ago
        It's treated like a country, with country code "T1". Site operators can create rules which apply special handling to visitors from the exotic country of Torlandia. ;) https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930-Understanding-Cloudflare-Tor-support-and-Onion-Routing https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930-U...
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  making tor exits unblockable is the opposite of how the tor project operates.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    Actually, there is a proposal for Tor exits to use a different IPv6 address for each circuit. See https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646
    - tjoff 7y ago
      They still would be listed though? And people blocking tor ipv6 would of course block ranges rather than individual IPs.
      - mirimir 7y ago
        I presume that they'd never get reused. And yes, there could be blocking by ranges. And while I doubt that Tor would ever do it, one could use residential IPs via "free" smartphone apps. Some VPN services may be doing that.
        tjoff 7y ago
        They are all listed... https://blog.torproject.org/changes-tor-exit-list-service https://blog.torproject.org/changes-tor-exit-list-service No one could not use residential IPs that way.
        mirimir 7y ago
        Yes, they're all listed now. But I don't see anything in https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26646 about listing the IPv6 addresses. And using random addresses from multiple /48, that'd be an extremely long list. I was wrong about not reusing IPv6. But even so, using the same IPv6 would be very rare, given the number available. You say that no one could use residential IPs that way. But I know for a fact that it's already being done. For example, see https://luminati.io/proxy-networks/residential-ips https://luminati.io/proxy-networks/residential-ips.