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A substantial portion of Americans advocate for the abolition of ICE, most of whom are on the left. [1] I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong, bu

by alehul 7y ago

A substantial portion of Americans advocate for the abolition of ICE, most of whom are on the left. [1] I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong, but it certainly suggests that the left favors open borders. [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/immigration-ice-abolish-poll-708703 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/immigration-ice-ab...

dublinben 7y ago
The abolition of ICE is only tangentially related to relaxing immigration restrictions or "open borders." ICE is a domestic law enforcement agency which persecutes and deports people who are already in the country. It wasn't even created until 2002. The borders are policed and enforced by Customs and Border Protection (CBP), specifically Border Patrol.
- alehul 7y ago
  > It wasn't even created until 2002 This is technically true and often-cited, but it's really misleading. Its 'creation' was more of a restructuring. When ICE was created in 2003, it absorbed many parts of the United States Customs Service (founded 1789), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (founded 1933), and the Federal Protective Service (founded 1971). Before ICE, the INS was responsible for arresting and deporting those who violated immigration laws. All this aside, I'm sure we can agree: (1) there's a correlation between (A) willingness to illegally immigrate and (B) the risk of deportation after crossing the border. (2) that an increase in illegal immigration without governmental response would more closely resemble the concept of open borders.
nemo 7y ago
ICE is not the Border Patrol. They are a separate agency that mostly operates far from the border. So far as I can tell the wish for the abolition of ICE is primarily tied a desire to eliminate an unrestrained, rogue, abusive policing org that's showed serious cruelty and abuses of civil liberties. I'm ok with eliminating ICE since they play such a harmful role such as they exist today, their leadership and members should all be fired with many jailed. If people were calling to abolish the Border Patrol that could be construed as supporting open borders. Calling to abolish ICE is calling out corruption, abuse, and injustice in our immigration enforcement far from the border.

by alehul 7y ago

dublinben 7y ago

The abolition of ICE is only tangentially related to relaxing immigration restrictions or "open borders." ICE is a domestic law enforcement agency which persecutes and deports people who are already in the country. It wasn't even created until 2002. The borders are policed and enforced by Customs and Border Protection (CBP), specifically Border Patrol.

alehul 7y ago
> It wasn't even created until 2002 This is technically true and often-cited, but it's really misleading. Its 'creation' was more of a restructuring. When ICE was created in 2003, it absorbed many parts of the United States Customs Service (founded 1789), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (founded 1933), and the Federal Protective Service (founded 1971). Before ICE, the INS was responsible for arresting and deporting those who violated immigration laws. All this aside, I'm sure we can agree: (1) there's a correlation between (A) willingness to illegally immigrate and (B) the risk of deportation after crossing the border. (2) that an increase in illegal immigration without governmental response would more closely resemble the concept of open borders.

nemo 7y ago

ICE is not the Border Patrol. They are a separate agency that mostly operates far from the border. So far as I can tell the wish for the abolition of ICE is primarily tied a desire to eliminate an unrestrained, rogue, abusive policing org that's showed serious cruelty and abuses of civil liberties. I'm ok with eliminating ICE since they play such a harmful role such as they exist today, their leadership and members should all be fired with many jailed. If people were calling to abolish the Border Patrol that could be construed as supporting open borders. Calling to abolish ICE is calling out corruption, abuse, and injustice in our immigration enforcement far from the border.