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> Open borders is anti-capitalist because it allows labor to move with the same liberty as capital, so it can help reduce the ability of capitalists to find dea

> Open borders is anti-capitalist because it allows labor to move with the same liberty as capital, so it can help reduce the ability of capitalists to find deals. Except like so much with socialism, the reality and the hypothetical are in stark contrast. You are arguing that in theory, open borders allow for laborers to take their value to wherever it will benefit them the most. But in reality, it not particularly easy for an individual to pick up and move their entire lives, especially when we are talking about distances on the scale of international travel. So the workers who are willing to move end up being those with the least to lose, meaning those who do end up moving are those willing to settle for less. Say Mexico and the US opened their borders tomorrow. Do you see American laborers taking their skills to Mexico en masse? Or do you see Mexican laborers taking their skills en masse to America? How do you think the value of an American laborer is affected when the labor market gets flooded with supply, many of whom will likely be willing to work for less than their American counterparts?

worik 7y ago
Given the structural inequalities between USA and Mexico "opening the boarders" is impractical. Given the structural inequalities between USA and Mexico allowing free movement of capital between USA and Mexico enriches USA and impoverishes Mexico.
dublinben 7y ago
Open borders aren't only favored by socialists. Perhaps you would be interested in an explicitly capitalist, libertarian argument for the economic benefits of free immigration: https://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2019/myths-facts-immigration-policy https://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2019/myth...
tehjoker 7y ago
> Without other policies it is atomizing and ineffective, However, since you asked, yes Mexicans, who have been abused would flood into the richer north. Socialism is ultimately about creating an equal society, not about preserving disparities between the rich and the poor. However, we would need policies to help preserve American's livelihoods, such as a Federal Jobs Guarantee otherwise open borders would be unpopular and damage living standards. It's worth asking yourself why people born on one side of an invisible line deserve comfort and power and a baby born on the other side does not deserve to walk one foot north and find a better life.

worik 7y ago

Given the structural inequalities between USA and Mexico "opening the boarders" is impractical. Given the structural inequalities between USA and Mexico allowing free movement of capital between USA and Mexico enriches USA and impoverishes Mexico.

dublinben 7y ago

Open borders aren't only favored by socialists. Perhaps you would be interested in an explicitly capitalist, libertarian argument for the economic benefits of free immigration: https://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2019/myths-facts-immigration-policy https://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2019/myth...

tehjoker 7y ago

> Without other policies it is atomizing and ineffective, However, since you asked, yes Mexicans, who have been abused would flood into the richer north. Socialism is ultimately about creating an equal society, not about preserving disparities between the rich and the poor. However, we would need policies to help preserve American's livelihoods, such as a Federal Jobs Guarantee otherwise open borders would be unpopular and damage living standards. It's worth asking yourself why people born on one side of an invisible line deserve comfort and power and a baby born on the other side does not deserve to walk one foot north and find a better life.