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What if the entire piece of media is really short and 10 seconds is most or all of it? I'm not sure there are simple and reasonable solutions like this. Everyt

by gota 7y ago

What if the entire piece of media is really short and 10 seconds is most or all of it? I'm not sure there are simple and reasonable solutions like this. Everything will be gamed or cause terrible edge case issues

WalterBright 7y ago
> What if the entire piece of media is really short and 10 seconds is most or all of it? If the creator cared, he'd make it longer. Seriously, why should a 5 second movie be worthy of major copyright protection? For example, if I wrote a 100 line computer program, should that be worthy of copyright protection. I'd say "no". A creator of a 10-second movie should consider it advertising for his skills, and hope and pray people copy it and use it all over the place. I've also made my code Boost licensed, which is equivalent to "no copyright protection". If people use it for whatever, I figure it's great advertising for my (very expensive) consulting rates.
- gota 7y ago
  >I f the creator cared, he'd make it longer. I'm sorry, and would like to know how to put it another way to not sound aggressive, but this point is absurd[1]. Length (in this case runtime) of the resulting product has little to no relation to the amount of work or value put into it and its development[2]. 1- I'm not even sure why'd you use code as an example, because it is the easiest counterexample to your point. Hundred-line programs can be trivial exercises or crucial pieces of engineering that make or break entire products or businesses (if code should or not be copyrightable is another discussion). 2 - Somehow this discussion also reminds of the time a bureaucrat asked me why I was taking twenty hours to 'read a paper' when it was only a few pages long. I told him it likely took the authors a hundred hours to write six pages rather than sixteen so I could read it in twenty hours instead of two hundred.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    You can already do "fair use" of text under a certain amount, and the world hasn't ended. > a hundred hours This is the Labor Theory of Value, which is discredited. The value of something is not necessarily related at all to how much labor was put into it. The value of something is what someone else is freely willing to pay for it. Nobody has ever asked me how many hours I put into X. They couldn't care less. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the value of what I created.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    > crucial pieces of engineering That's what patents are for, not copyrights.
WalterBright 7y ago
I heard (and have no idea if it is true or not) that back in the 80s Microsoft was not particularly concerned about piracy, because it was great advertising and often led to people buying the product. DOS was indeed pirated all over the place, and Microsoft rose to be the biggest company in the world. Cause and effect? Who knows!

by gota 7y ago

WalterBright 7y ago

> What if the entire piece of media is really short and 10 seconds is most or all of it? If the creator cared, he'd make it longer. Seriously, why should a 5 second movie be worthy of major copyright protection? For example, if I wrote a 100 line computer program, should that be worthy of copyright protection. I'd say "no". A creator of a 10-second movie should consider it advertising for his skills, and hope and pray people copy it and use it all over the place. I've also made my code Boost licensed, which is equivalent to "no copyright protection". If people use it for whatever, I figure it's great advertising for my (very expensive) consulting rates.

gota 7y ago
>I f the creator cared, he'd make it longer. I'm sorry, and would like to know how to put it another way to not sound aggressive, but this point is absurd[1]. Length (in this case runtime) of the resulting product has little to no relation to the amount of work or value put into it and its development[2]. 1- I'm not even sure why'd you use code as an example, because it is the easiest counterexample to your point. Hundred-line programs can be trivial exercises or crucial pieces of engineering that make or break entire products or businesses (if code should or not be copyrightable is another discussion). 2 - Somehow this discussion also reminds of the time a bureaucrat asked me why I was taking twenty hours to 'read a paper' when it was only a few pages long. I told him it likely took the authors a hundred hours to write six pages rather than sixteen so I could read it in twenty hours instead of two hundred.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  You can already do "fair use" of text under a certain amount, and the world hasn't ended. > a hundred hours This is the Labor Theory of Value, which is discredited. The value of something is not necessarily related at all to how much labor was put into it. The value of something is what someone else is freely willing to pay for it. Nobody has ever asked me how many hours I put into X. They couldn't care less. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the value of what I created.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  > crucial pieces of engineering That's what patents are for, not copyrights.

WalterBright 7y ago

I heard (and have no idea if it is true or not) that back in the 80s Microsoft was not particularly concerned about piracy, because it was great advertising and often led to people buying the product. DOS was indeed pirated all over the place, and Microsoft rose to be the biggest company in the world. Cause and effect? Who knows!