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They never thought we'd be poor enough that both parents would need to work to maintain a middle class standard of living.

jariel 7y ago
This isn't fully true though. 'Middle class' means something vastly more dramatic than it did in 1959. Homes are 2x bigger, 2x nicer, they are fully automated (washing machine, dishwasher, microwave), we have internet, cellphones, 2.5 cars per home instead of 0.8, we travel farther and more often, there's infinitely more variety in food and every other commercial product etc.. Aside from real-estate - a family could live on one income if they wanted to give up all of those things. I'm not entirely disparaging your point, other than to say the entire system has changed, it's not like 1950's standards now cost 2x. But yes, surely it's a weird artifact of classical liberalism that 'freedom' is somehow implied to be 'now you have to work for money or starve'. Edit: I should add, that by any economic definition, if during one era only 'one parent' is working, and during a different era 'both parents' tend to be working, it's just a mathematical reality that those with only 'one parent working' will move down the economic ladder relative to others. This would be true before a single sociological artefact contextualised the fact.
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irrational 7y ago
I don't know if that is true. I would say we are solidly middle class (our neighbors on our street include a paramedic, an elementary school teacher, a hospital receptionist, a paralegal, a yoga instructor, a non-profit office manager, etc.). My wife is a stay-at-home mother to our 7 children (though the 2 oldest are away at college) and hasn't had a paycheck since we were in college. We have 2 cars, a house with all the automated amenities, etc. I just work as a programmer making about $100k a year. After taxes, we live on about $4k a month.
- irscott 7y ago
  7?!
  - rimlicker 7y ago
    Doesn't want his wife to upstage his ability to humblebrag on internet forums about his salary.. gotta keep her tied up with umbilical cords
- nohuhu 7y ago
  When people ask me what my wife does for a living, I tell them she's working as a full time mom to our 4 kids. She likes that a lot more than being a "housewife". :)
- fallingfrog 7y ago
  Ok, but as the median salary for an American citizen is $31,099 per year, you’re at least one, maybe two standard deviations above what a typical American makes.

jariel 7y ago

This isn't fully true though. 'Middle class' means something vastly more dramatic than it did in 1959. Homes are 2x bigger, 2x nicer, they are fully automated (washing machine, dishwasher, microwave), we have internet, cellphones, 2.5 cars per home instead of 0.8, we travel farther and more often, there's infinitely more variety in food and every other commercial product etc.. Aside from real-estate - a family could live on one income if they wanted to give up all of those things. I'm not entirely disparaging your point, other than to say the entire system has changed, it's not like 1950's standards now cost 2x. But yes, surely it's a weird artifact of classical liberalism that 'freedom' is somehow implied to be 'now you have to work for money or starve'. Edit: I should add, that by any economic definition, if during one era only 'one parent' is working, and during a different era 'both parents' tend to be working, it's just a mathematical reality that those with only 'one parent working' will move down the economic ladder relative to others. This would be true before a single sociological artefact contextualised the fact.

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irrational 7y ago

I don't know if that is true. I would say we are solidly middle class (our neighbors on our street include a paramedic, an elementary school teacher, a hospital receptionist, a paralegal, a yoga instructor, a non-profit office manager, etc.). My wife is a stay-at-home mother to our 7 children (though the 2 oldest are away at college) and hasn't had a paycheck since we were in college. We have 2 cars, a house with all the automated amenities, etc. I just work as a programmer making about $100k a year. After taxes, we live on about $4k a month.

irscott 7y ago
7?!
- rimlicker 7y ago
  Doesn't want his wife to upstage his ability to humblebrag on internet forums about his salary.. gotta keep her tied up with umbilical cords
nohuhu 7y ago
When people ask me what my wife does for a living, I tell them she's working as a full time mom to our 4 kids. She likes that a lot more than being a "housewife". :)
fallingfrog 7y ago
Ok, but as the median salary for an American citizen is $31,099 per year, you’re at least one, maybe two standard deviations above what a typical American makes.