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Us = the world/humanity, not the USA. China's economic growth has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty, and it would not have happened without globalizatio

Us = the world/humanity, not the USA. China's economic growth has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty, and it would not have happened without globalization.

wyclif 7y ago
Eh, I was speaking of the world. China lied about the coronavirus right from the beginning, when having two weeks of lead time worldwide could have saved thousands of lives. They arrested, silenced, and probably killed the doctors who blew the whistle on the cover-up. These are facts, not conjecture.
- danans 7y ago
  > our supply chain for essential pharmaceuticals and medical equipment farmed out to evil, duplicitous regimes like the Chinese state. There's a legitimate discussion to be had about medical equipment supply chains, but describing China this way does a huge disservice to that discussion. > They ... probably killed the doctors who blew the whistle on the cover-up. These are facts, not conjecture. That's literally an example of conjecture.
  - wyclif 7y ago
    The doctor who blew the whistle on the virus is dead now.
    - danans 7y ago
      He's dead from the virus. Nobody murdered him.
      - wyclif 7y ago
        He might very well still be alive if the Chinese government hadn't lied about and covered up the existence of the virus.
        danans 7y ago
        That's not killing. It's negligent and reprehensible, just like the trivialization of the disease's seriousness by the US president was negligent and reprehensible. There will be many unnecessary deaths as a result of both leaders' inaction. That doesn't make it murder on either of their parts. In the US at least, the dismantling of the public health systems in the name of efficiency is something that occurred in several previous administrations of both parties, backed by a public who supported those cuts in order to receive greater investment returns and lower taxes.
        onepointsixC 7y ago
        And what if POTUS was listening to the WHO experts who were parroting the lies of the CCP that human transmission wasn't happening, and then that even if it was an epidemic it wasn't a pandemic? Furthermore in what way was the US public health system dismantled? The US was best suited to take on Coronavirus because of its significant number of ICU beds and the number of ventilators compared to the rest of the West. The unfortunate fact is that CDC's tests failed and that left the US flat-footed when it was otherwise better positioned to tackle the crisis than most.
        danans 7y ago
        It wasn't that he was listening to the WHO, it was that he was outright denying the severity and spreading misinformation implying the imminent availability of a vaccine. He's hasn't been a benign pass-through in the development of the situation: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/timeline-trump-covid19-responses/?collection-id=242252 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/timeline-trump-covid19-res...
- analyst74 7y ago
  Okay, some local Wuhan officials covered up the initial reports, and they have been held accountable and fired since. Saying China covered up the virus is like saying US is poisoning its people because some Flint officials were incompetent. Remember, China is a big country, and its political system is not a simple extension of an authoritarian leader like what media tend to portray.
aww_dang 7y ago
>China's economic growth has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty Starting from the point of the great leap forward, yes there has been an improvement.
nsporillo 7y ago
Lifted millions out of poverty at the expense of millions of middle class American jobs. I believe globalization largely did not end up in the best interest of most Americans because the transfer of technology and manufacturing did not result in a new American ally, but rather a strategic competitor. For over a decade now we've seen a rift in the interests of the common people and the elites in the United States, which is why we've seen the resurgence of populism.

Us = the world/humanity, not the USA. China's economic growth has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty, and it would not have happened without globalization.

wyclif 7y ago

Eh, I was speaking of the world. China lied about the coronavirus right from the beginning, when having two weeks of lead time worldwide could have saved thousands of lives. They arrested, silenced, and probably killed the doctors who blew the whistle on the cover-up. These are facts, not conjecture.

danans 7y ago
> our supply chain for essential pharmaceuticals and medical equipment farmed out to evil, duplicitous regimes like the Chinese state. There's a legitimate discussion to be had about medical equipment supply chains, but describing China this way does a huge disservice to that discussion. > They ... probably killed the doctors who blew the whistle on the cover-up. These are facts, not conjecture. That's literally an example of conjecture.
- wyclif 7y ago
  The doctor who blew the whistle on the virus is dead now.
  - danans 7y ago
    He's dead from the virus. Nobody murdered him.
    - wyclif 7y ago
      He might very well still be alive if the Chinese government hadn't lied about and covered up the existence of the virus.
      - danans 7y ago
        That's not killing. It's negligent and reprehensible, just like the trivialization of the disease's seriousness by the US president was negligent and reprehensible. There will be many unnecessary deaths as a result of both leaders' inaction. That doesn't make it murder on either of their parts. In the US at least, the dismantling of the public health systems in the name of efficiency is something that occurred in several previous administrations of both parties, backed by a public who supported those cuts in order to receive greater investment returns and lower taxes.
        onepointsixC 7y ago
        And what if POTUS was listening to the WHO experts who were parroting the lies of the CCP that human transmission wasn't happening, and then that even if it was an epidemic it wasn't a pandemic? Furthermore in what way was the US public health system dismantled? The US was best suited to take on Coronavirus because of its significant number of ICU beds and the number of ventilators compared to the rest of the West. The unfortunate fact is that CDC's tests failed and that left the US flat-footed when it was otherwise better positioned to tackle the crisis than most.
        danans 7y ago
        It wasn't that he was listening to the WHO, it was that he was outright denying the severity and spreading misinformation implying the imminent availability of a vaccine. He's hasn't been a benign pass-through in the development of the situation: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/timeline-trump-covid19-responses/?collection-id=242252 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/timeline-trump-covid19-res...
analyst74 7y ago
Okay, some local Wuhan officials covered up the initial reports, and they have been held accountable and fired since. Saying China covered up the virus is like saying US is poisoning its people because some Flint officials were incompetent. Remember, China is a big country, and its political system is not a simple extension of an authoritarian leader like what media tend to portray.

aww_dang 7y ago

>China's economic growth has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty Starting from the point of the great leap forward, yes there has been an improvement.

nsporillo 7y ago

Lifted millions out of poverty at the expense of millions of middle class American jobs. I believe globalization largely did not end up in the best interest of most Americans because the transfer of technology and manufacturing did not result in a new American ally, but rather a strategic competitor. For over a decade now we've seen a rift in the interests of the common people and the elites in the United States, which is why we've seen the resurgence of populism.