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> and Republicans in particular - realise that their ideologies are dead Good luck. Their base doesn't care. I was speaking with my father a couple days ago, w

> and Republicans in particular - realise that their ideologies are dead Good luck. Their base doesn't care. I was speaking with my father a couple days ago, who is a US Board-Certified surgeon and ran his own practice for 40 years. He's a smart guy, but firmly lives in the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh bubble. He was saying how he was hoping this crisis would put the final nail in the coffin ... for the corrupt democrats. It's insanity.

itgoon 7y ago
They're both right. Neither the Republicans or Democrats will be able to conduct business as usual going forward.
yks 7y ago
what is the reasoning (genuinely curious). Are democrats somehow failing America re: COVID-19?
- verify_sirrah 7y ago
  I believe many are upset over them temporarily blocking the stimulus bill.
- malandrew 7y ago
  Not Democrats as a whole. Nancy Pelosi and one or two other congress people in particular. As I understand it from various sources spanning the political spectrum, both the Republicans and Democrats that were in Washington DC had productive bipartisan talks over the weekend and had largely hashed out a bill that both sides agreed on. Then Nancy Pelosi flew back from California and injected several additional things into the bill that were highly partisan and permanent fixtures aligned with policy Democrats had been pushing pre-crisis. This act by Pelosi derailed partisan efforts. Liberal media lauded these additions. Conservative media condemned them. Anything that is added that gets opposite reception by partisan media is pretty much the definition of partisan. Any bill that is a response to a crisis should short and specific to the crisis at hand with no permanent changes to how business is conducted long term. Politicians taking advantage of a crisis is how we get disastrous policy like the Patriot Act, no-fly lists and FISA courts. Any long term policy changes should be debated and decided upon months and years after the crisis has been averted.
  - arrosenberg 7y ago
    I think it's weird to point at Nancy Pelosi given the current state of politics. McConnell and the republicans denounce any Democratic bill that is passed as partisan, so why would this be any different? And you feel that Steve Mnuchin and his $500B corporate bailout slush fund meet the criteria laid out for crisis spending? Give me a break. The Democrats are trying to include things like vote-by-mail, since this crisis is already affecting elections and will likely have an impact on the ability to conduct a fair election in November. They want better unemployment and healthcare to make us resilient against this exact situation. These are all good things, and the Democrats would be fools to waste an opportunity to do the right thing for the country.
    - chipperyman573 7y ago
      >I think it's weird to point at Nancy Pelosi given the current state of politics. McConnell and the republicans denounce any Democratic bill that is passed as partisan, so why would this be any different? This is not about the current state of politics. People are dying. Immediate measures to fix this need to be taken to save their lives. This is not the time for politicians to push their agenda, even they believe it makes the world a better place. It makes sense to talk about all the things that you mentioned you liked after this emergency is over, so that we can be better prepared for next time. But right now, the bills should be hyper-focused on what to do now, to deal with the emergency that is happening now, so that we can resolve it now, so people don't die tomorrow. (FWIW I agree with most of what was included. It's just not the time to discuss it)
      - arrosenberg 7y ago
        I agree philosophically, but that's not how the world works. First, we have enough smart people to do both things at once. Secondly, if you have leverage, you use it. Making sure people can vote for a party that will properly manage disasters like this one seems like a top-tier priority right now.
        chipperyman573 7y ago
humpty_drumpfty 7y ago
>He's a smart guy, but Your expertise is in "accessibility" and "online marketing". Your father's expertise is in surgery and ran his own private practice. Maybe you should take a step back before assessing the intellect of people's political takes.
madengr 7y ago
Well I hope he is right.
aswanson 7y ago
I've found most right wing folks immune to updating their worldview in the face of contradictory evidence and have come to the conclusion they are to be beaten, not reasoned with.

itgoon 7y ago

They're both right. Neither the Republicans or Democrats will be able to conduct business as usual going forward.

yks 7y ago

what is the reasoning (genuinely curious). Are democrats somehow failing America re: COVID-19?

verify_sirrah 7y ago
I believe many are upset over them temporarily blocking the stimulus bill.
malandrew 7y ago
Not Democrats as a whole. Nancy Pelosi and one or two other congress people in particular. As I understand it from various sources spanning the political spectrum, both the Republicans and Democrats that were in Washington DC had productive bipartisan talks over the weekend and had largely hashed out a bill that both sides agreed on. Then Nancy Pelosi flew back from California and injected several additional things into the bill that were highly partisan and permanent fixtures aligned with policy Democrats had been pushing pre-crisis. This act by Pelosi derailed partisan efforts. Liberal media lauded these additions. Conservative media condemned them. Anything that is added that gets opposite reception by partisan media is pretty much the definition of partisan. Any bill that is a response to a crisis should short and specific to the crisis at hand with no permanent changes to how business is conducted long term. Politicians taking advantage of a crisis is how we get disastrous policy like the Patriot Act, no-fly lists and FISA courts. Any long term policy changes should be debated and decided upon months and years after the crisis has been averted.
- arrosenberg 7y ago
  I think it's weird to point at Nancy Pelosi given the current state of politics. McConnell and the republicans denounce any Democratic bill that is passed as partisan, so why would this be any different? And you feel that Steve Mnuchin and his $500B corporate bailout slush fund meet the criteria laid out for crisis spending? Give me a break. The Democrats are trying to include things like vote-by-mail, since this crisis is already affecting elections and will likely have an impact on the ability to conduct a fair election in November. They want better unemployment and healthcare to make us resilient against this exact situation. These are all good things, and the Democrats would be fools to waste an opportunity to do the right thing for the country.
  - chipperyman573 7y ago
    >I think it's weird to point at Nancy Pelosi given the current state of politics. McConnell and the republicans denounce any Democratic bill that is passed as partisan, so why would this be any different? This is not about the current state of politics. People are dying. Immediate measures to fix this need to be taken to save their lives. This is not the time for politicians to push their agenda, even they believe it makes the world a better place. It makes sense to talk about all the things that you mentioned you liked after this emergency is over, so that we can be better prepared for next time. But right now, the bills should be hyper-focused on what to do now, to deal with the emergency that is happening now, so that we can resolve it now, so people don't die tomorrow. (FWIW I agree with most of what was included. It's just not the time to discuss it)
    - arrosenberg 7y ago
      I agree philosophically, but that's not how the world works. First, we have enough smart people to do both things at once. Secondly, if you have leverage, you use it. Making sure people can vote for a party that will properly manage disasters like this one seems like a top-tier priority right now.
      - chipperyman573 7y ago

humpty_drumpfty 7y ago

>He's a smart guy, but Your expertise is in "accessibility" and "online marketing". Your father's expertise is in surgery and ran his own private practice. Maybe you should take a step back before assessing the intellect of people's political takes.

madengr 7y ago

Well I hope he is right.

aswanson 7y ago

I've found most right wing folks immune to updating their worldview in the face of contradictory evidence and have come to the conclusion they are to be beaten, not reasoned with.