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At which point does it becomes the repo owners job to help you assert your own personal space? Why can't you ignore the douchebag?

belltaco 7y ago
Why is HN so heavily moderated? Have you looked at what unmoderated communities devolve into?
- u801e 7y ago
  Back when I used to read and post to Usenet, my killfile handled almost all of the bad content so that I never saw it. The nice thing was that I was in sole control of that file and no one else had any say in what I did or didn't want to see.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    Great, why not stick to Usenet now? Why did it become less popular?
    - u801e 7y ago
      My best guess is the fact that most ISPs discontinued their usenet feeds around the time that Andrew Cuomo (back when he was the Attorney General of New York) came to an agreement with a number of ISPs to block access to child porn in certain newsgroups[1]. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-to-curb-usenet-access/ https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-t...
sneak 7y ago
Some communities like to grow and attract more people. Many people don’t like to have to spend time avoiding, deleting, or ignoring communications from douchebags, which is reasonable. Widening the range of participatory reach requires specific effort to further optimize for welcomingness.
- u801e 7y ago
  > Many people don’t like to have to spend time avoiding, deleting, or ignoring communications from douchebags Could the platform the community uses make it easier to hide posts and discussion threads that people don't want to see? That would minimize the time spent trying to deal with it.
  - sneak 7y ago
    It's called the ban button, most platforms have one. Despite the lack of formal rules and myriad edge cases, for the general case only, there is broad consensus (in society, not necessarily within small groups) on what constitutes "threads that most people don't want to see [or be subjected to]". A really good example would be Linus calling people fucking stupid, or screaming at them to shut the fuck up. (Note: I know there are people reading this who want to read 100% of what Linus has to say regardless of how mean he is in saying it. That is not a refutation of my claim above, as it does not negate the fact that the vast majority of people in society never want to be spoken to in this manner by anyone, for any reason, least of all for making a small judgement error in software that isn't even "prerelease" yet.)
    - u801e 7y ago
      > It's called the ban button, most platforms have one. Do they? I can flag a post here on HN, or I can report one on reddit or facebook, but that still requires a moderator or forum administrator to handle the issue. In my newsclient, the effect is immediate and only affects my own view of the forum.
watwut 7y ago
Why do you think this is about "personal space"? Why do you think the "moderate and constructive people left, assholes are majority" is not having consequences for repo owner? > Why can't you ignore the douchebag? Why the "No Code Of Conduct" author could not just ignored those discussions and want to threaten bans? Also, back to strategy, it depends on what kind of douchebag we are talking about. When douchebags are the only one who talk and are unopposed, it is douchebags who sets what the culture will be.

belltaco 7y ago

Why is HN so heavily moderated? Have you looked at what unmoderated communities devolve into?

u801e 7y ago
Back when I used to read and post to Usenet, my killfile handled almost all of the bad content so that I never saw it. The nice thing was that I was in sole control of that file and no one else had any say in what I did or didn't want to see.
- belltaco 7y ago
  Great, why not stick to Usenet now? Why did it become less popular?
  - u801e 7y ago
    My best guess is the fact that most ISPs discontinued their usenet feeds around the time that Andrew Cuomo (back when he was the Attorney General of New York) came to an agreement with a number of ISPs to block access to child porn in certain newsgroups[1]. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-to-curb-usenet-access/ https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-t...

sneak 7y ago

Some communities like to grow and attract more people. Many people don’t like to have to spend time avoiding, deleting, or ignoring communications from douchebags, which is reasonable. Widening the range of participatory reach requires specific effort to further optimize for welcomingness.

u801e 7y ago
> Many people don’t like to have to spend time avoiding, deleting, or ignoring communications from douchebags Could the platform the community uses make it easier to hide posts and discussion threads that people don't want to see? That would minimize the time spent trying to deal with it.
- sneak 7y ago
  It's called the ban button, most platforms have one. Despite the lack of formal rules and myriad edge cases, for the general case only, there is broad consensus (in society, not necessarily within small groups) on what constitutes "threads that most people don't want to see [or be subjected to]". A really good example would be Linus calling people fucking stupid, or screaming at them to shut the fuck up. (Note: I know there are people reading this who want to read 100% of what Linus has to say regardless of how mean he is in saying it. That is not a refutation of my claim above, as it does not negate the fact that the vast majority of people in society never want to be spoken to in this manner by anyone, for any reason, least of all for making a small judgement error in software that isn't even "prerelease" yet.)
  - u801e 7y ago
    > It's called the ban button, most platforms have one. Do they? I can flag a post here on HN, or I can report one on reddit or facebook, but that still requires a moderator or forum administrator to handle the issue. In my newsclient, the effect is immediate and only affects my own view of the forum.

watwut 7y ago

Why do you think this is about "personal space"? Why do you think the "moderate and constructive people left, assholes are majority" is not having consequences for repo owner? > Why can't you ignore the douchebag? Why the "No Code Of Conduct" author could not just ignored those discussions and want to threaten bans? Also, back to strategy, it depends on what kind of douchebag we are talking about. When douchebags are the only one who talk and are unopposed, it is douchebags who sets what the culture will be.