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I'll need some evidence to back up that wild conjecture please. What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing? Which bit of the contributor coven

I'll need some evidence to back up that wild conjecture please. What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing? Which bit of the contributor covenant do you find particularly overbearing?

wyager 7y ago
> I'll need some evidence to back up that wild conjecture please. Oh, let me just pull up all the peer-reviewed studies that people have done comparing the impact of CoCs versus... oh wait, that obviously doesn't exist. Do you have "some evidence" you'd like to share? I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. > What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing This is such an absurd motte-and-bailey. Are you really trying to sell us on the idea that the 5000+ word "contributor covenant" is nothing more than "be nice to each other"?
microcolonel 7y ago
The idea that the imposition of, for example, the Contributor Covenant, is just about "being nice to eachother" is exactly the sort of thing that precedes long periods of abuse and bullying predicated on it. If you don't pay attention to the erosion of community occurring under such projects, then that's your own ignorance, not the basis of an argument. You can reframe the discussion in terms of "being nice to eachother", and your opposition as "in favour of not being nice to eachother" in turn, but that doesn't mean that's the actual dichotomy.
p2detar 7y ago
> What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing? Well, are people nice to each other because they want it or because it's in the CoC? I'd rather deal with somebody that doesn't like me upfront rather than mask the quarrel with policies.
djdhrb4bb55 7y ago
This is exactly the kind of language used by the unbearable sort of person who insists on a CoC. "Be nice to each other." Unless you're CoC is targeted toward a hypersensitive kindergarten, that language has no place. You need to realise that it's extremely unprofessional, infantilising, and patronising. You're going to alienate a lot of talented people who have no patience for that rubbish. You're going to be on the fast track to a mess where blue-haired amateurs are feverishly reminding everyone of their pronouns rather than having a group of grounded, professional adults getting things done.
- D13Fd 7y ago
  "Be nice to each other" is just another way of saying be polite, which is part of being professional. People "feverishly reminding everyone of their pronouns" are not being polite, professional, or nice. Getting worked up over occasional polite requests about pronouns is not polite, professional or nice either.
  - djdhrb4bb55 7y ago
    I disagree, they need to keep their private lives out of it if they expect to be treated like professional adults. How on Earth could my colleagues ever carry on the same if I turned up in lipstick and heels and demanded they call me Sally? Keep it in the bedroom, or expect an appropriate reaction.
    - maxehmookau 7y ago
      Welcome to HN. I'm glad you felt the need to create an account to say this.
    - D13Fd 7y ago
      > How on Earth could my colleagues ever carry on the same if I turned up in lipstick and heels and demanded they call me Sally? Because they are professionals, and your new look or whatever else has nothing to do with the job that needs to be done. I'd say the same about your behavior. If you keep doing the job and politely point out that you'd like to be called Sally, that's fine. If it interferes with you doing your job, then that's a problem.
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wyager 7y ago

> I'll need some evidence to back up that wild conjecture please. Oh, let me just pull up all the peer-reviewed studies that people have done comparing the impact of CoCs versus... oh wait, that obviously doesn't exist. Do you have "some evidence" you'd like to share? I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. > What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing This is such an absurd motte-and-bailey. Are you really trying to sell us on the idea that the 5000+ word "contributor covenant" is nothing more than "be nice to each other"?

microcolonel 7y ago

The idea that the imposition of, for example, the Contributor Covenant, is just about "being nice to eachother" is exactly the sort of thing that precedes long periods of abuse and bullying predicated on it. If you don't pay attention to the erosion of community occurring under such projects, then that's your own ignorance, not the basis of an argument. You can reframe the discussion in terms of "being nice to eachother", and your opposition as "in favour of not being nice to eachother" in turn, but that doesn't mean that's the actual dichotomy.

p2detar 7y ago

> What on earth about being nice to each other is overbearing? Well, are people nice to each other because they want it or because it's in the CoC? I'd rather deal with somebody that doesn't like me upfront rather than mask the quarrel with policies.

djdhrb4bb55 7y ago

This is exactly the kind of language used by the unbearable sort of person who insists on a CoC. "Be nice to each other." Unless you're CoC is targeted toward a hypersensitive kindergarten, that language has no place. You need to realise that it's extremely unprofessional, infantilising, and patronising. You're going to alienate a lot of talented people who have no patience for that rubbish. You're going to be on the fast track to a mess where blue-haired amateurs are feverishly reminding everyone of their pronouns rather than having a group of grounded, professional adults getting things done.

D13Fd 7y ago
"Be nice to each other" is just another way of saying be polite, which is part of being professional. People "feverishly reminding everyone of their pronouns" are not being polite, professional, or nice. Getting worked up over occasional polite requests about pronouns is not polite, professional or nice either.
- djdhrb4bb55 7y ago
  I disagree, they need to keep their private lives out of it if they expect to be treated like professional adults. How on Earth could my colleagues ever carry on the same if I turned up in lipstick and heels and demanded they call me Sally? Keep it in the bedroom, or expect an appropriate reaction.
  - maxehmookau 7y ago
    Welcome to HN. I'm glad you felt the need to create an account to say this.
  - D13Fd 7y ago
    > How on Earth could my colleagues ever carry on the same if I turned up in lipstick and heels and demanded they call me Sally? Because they are professionals, and your new look or whatever else has nothing to do with the job that needs to be done. I'd say the same about your behavior. If you keep doing the job and politely point out that you'd like to be called Sally, that's fine. If it interferes with you doing your job, then that's a problem.

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